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GITA Chapter I: 38-39  -- Wise men have from time immemorial indulge From: Deosaran Bisnath
First ritual bath at Mahakumbh mela begins From: Sudhir-Architect
SELF-RELIANCE From: swamisuryadevananda
Aham Brahm Asmi- I am God From:
The world a veritable University for man From:
Knowledge is power From:
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Re: Is Sharmila Tagor a Hindu? From: Dilip Amin
Fw: Hindu Women Organization From: Dool Singh
Mom only had one eye From: danchan budhoo
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GITA Chapter I: 38-39  -- Wise men have from time immemorial indulge

Posted by: "Deosaran Bisnath"   deobisnath

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:55 pm (PST)

Chapter I: 38-39Though they, with intelligence overpowered by greed, see no evil in the destruction of families and no sin in hostility to friends, why should not we, who clearly see evil in the destruction of a family, learn to turn away from this sin, Oh Krishna?CommentaryIt is easier to perceive fault in others than within oneself. The Kauravas were greedy. They would do anything to retain sovereignty of the usurped kingdom. "So they do not see the sin in killing kinsmen; we are wiser and so should desist from it" - is Arjuna's argument. One man's vanity shields another's transgression with a seemingly lofty rationalization.No wise man will ever justify war. But wise men have from time immemorial indulged in what they regarded as righteous war. War itself is evil, but when it is the only remedy for a greater evil - to dethrone evil which has usurped the place of dharma - war is a necessity. Then, and only then, to fight is dharma (righteousness
or duty). To run away from it is adharma! Just as an unruffled mind and a loving heart guide the surgeon's skilled hand to remove a malignant growth, the wise and chivalrous ruler must be guided by a clear vision ofdharma and by a deep love for all his people in order to deal firmly with wickedness.Arjuna was wrong in saying that as they were his kinsmen, he should not kill them, nor is it right to say that since they were his enemies, Krishna asked him to kill them. It was only because they were the perpetrators of adharma that it was Arjuna's duty (as a prince) to exterminate them. If dharma was on the Kaurava side, even if they were his enemies, Krishna would have asked Arjuna to look within himself and destroy his real enemy - adharma, (unrighteousness).
Aano bhadra krtavo yantu vishwatah "Let noble thoughts come to me from all directions"



First ritual bath at Mahakumbh mela begins

Posted by: "Sudhir-Architect"   ar_sudhirkumar

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:57 pm (PST)

First ritual bath at Mahakumbh mela begins
IANS, 14 January 2010, 09:31amIST

HARIDWAR: To the resonating sound of
hymns,conch shells, cymbals and temple bells, the first 'snan', or holy
dip, of the Mahakumbh Mela at Haridwar began in the early hours of Jan 14,
the day when India<,prtpage-1.cms#>celebrated
the Makara Sankranti. ( Watch Video <> )

Thousands of pilgrims from India, and across the world, dipped into the
achingly chilly waters of the holy river Ganga at Brahma Kund, an embanked
stretch of the river just below the Shiva temple at the Har ki Pauri in the
heart of the temple town on Thursday.

A pale sun shone through the mist at dawn as the crowd surged. The bathing
hours will last through out the day and continue Jan 15, the day of Mauni
Amavasya (new moon) and the solar

The bathers - comprising mostly lay devotees and a few thousand sadhus-
prayed to the sun and Shiva as they immersed themselves in the gushing
torrents of the river at the Brahma Kund to the sound of devotional songs
and prayer bells chiming from the nearby shrines.

According to Vedic myths, Hindus believe Haridwar is one of the places where
a drop of 'amrit', or the nectar of immortality, fell from the 'Kumbh'
pitcher when Garuda, the divine bird of Lord Vishnu, was spiriting it away
during the war between the gods and the 'asuras' (demons).

Since then, Haridwar, along with Allahabad, Nasik and Ujjain - the four
places where a drop of nectar trickled from the pot - have been celebrating
the Kumbh Mela to commemorate the legend with seekers believing that a dip
in the sacred waters at those places will give them immortality.

The Mahakumbh Mela occurs every 12 years.

Thanks & Regards,

Sudhir Srinivasan
B.Arch, Dip.ID, Dip.CAD, Dip.PM, AIIA, IIID, ARIAI



Posted by: "b s"   gargxmuni

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:57 pm (PST)


in the UK we have a small (some say lunatic) fringe political party called the
Liberal Democrats who actually think they will one day win a mandate from the
citizens to rule over them.

There are certain similarities between the UK Liberals and lawyerman Raphael
Trotman's AFC political party.

Mr Trotman's silly idea is the
kiss-of-death to any semblance of pragmatism that gentleman may claim to have
as his own.

Clearly he is an opportunist who sees an advantage in personal upliftment with
a certain portion of the Guyanese population and he has jumped the gun far too
quickly in his enthusiasm.

Instead of his weird suggestion; if he

1 Send a contingent of the GDF
immediately to help in Haiti with search and rescue missions. The GDF proved
their worth recently when they plucked the suicide girl from the bottom of the
Kaieteur Falls.

2 Send RICE and SUGAR and other physical
aid to help the survivors IMMEDIATELY IN THIS THEIR HOUR OF NEED.

Trotman needs NO REMINDER AT ALL that Guyana only recently escaped the clutches
of Dictator Burnham.

Mr Trotman should understand that even though the Tonton Macoutes may have
changed their name, that they are still very active indeed in Haiti and if
allowed to transplant into Guyana that they would make the FINEMAN GANG look
like a girlie-mob.

Mr Trotman! The reason the people of Haiti are still the poorest country in the
Western hemisphere one hundred years after independence is their belief that
their constitution is written on paper and their machetes are made of steel.

Even at this ghastly time, there is talk within the Haitian community that
Jean-Claude Duvalier "Baby Doc" should return from his exile in Brooklyn, USA
in order to 'SAVE' Haiti with a new spell of dictatorship.

Yes Mr Trotman!

The generous Guyanese should help their brothers and sisters in Haiti with aid
as much as they are able to bear but let us not lose sight of rational

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Posted by: "swamisuryadevananda"   deobisnath

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:58 pm (PST)


Pure reason urges a man to do what is the best. The asuric (lower) nature of man fights and struggles against the higher nature of the man. The impulses of a man who has not undergone the ethical disciplines run counter to his reason. All advice, all rebuke and exhortation, all admonition found in the scriptures of the world testify that the irrational part is not amenable to reason.

The basis of good manners is self-reliance. For this reason, the great founders and eminent teachers of all religions have repeatedly proclaimed the need for recognising the Godhead within and for self-reliance in the last resort, rather than texts, persons or customs.

Self-control is greatest in the man whose life is dominated by ideals and general principles of conduct. The final end of moral discipline is self-control. The whole nature of man must be disciplined. Each element requires its specific training. Discipline harmonises the opposing elements in him. Self-control will enable the aspirant to know the truth, to desire the good, and to win the right - and thus to realise the reality.

Discipline is the training of our faculties, through instructions and through exercise, in accordance with some settled principle of authority. You must discipline not only the intellect but also the will and the emotions.

A disciplined man controls his actions. He is no longer at the mercy of the moment. He ceases to be a slave of his impulses and senses (indriyas). Such mastery is not the result of one day's effort. It is acquired only by protracted practice and daily self-discipline. You must learn to refuse the demands and impulses of your lower nature. A self-controlled man is able to resist wrong actions, towards which a worldly man is most strongly impelled.


Discipline yourself and grow strong. Stand unshaken. Rest in the Atman (the immortal blissful soul). Perfection is not impossible of achievement. It is within the easy reach of human endeavour. All desires are fulfilled after Self-realisation.

If you lack wisdom, ask God sincerely and he will give you wisdom. Physical health, intellectual understanding, moral integrity and spiritual wisdom lead to ultimate perfection.



Aham Brahm Asmi- I am God

Posted by: ""   kishoreharcharan

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:59 pm (PST)

Today, people perform various Sadhanas (spiritual exercises) to experience
divinity. Will God come closer to you because of these Sadhanas or does He
go away from you if you do not perform them? No. It is only the Bhrama
(delusion) that goes away from you when you perform the Sadhanas. As a result,
you become closer to Brahma (God). You should make every effort to get rid
of Bhrama. Give up the feeling that you are the body and you are the doer.
Only then can you be free from delusion and fear. Reduce your body
attachment. That is the Sadhana you are supposed to undertake. Spiritual practice
does not lie in the performance of Japa (repetition of God's Name), Thapa
(penance), Dhyana (meditation), etc. Develop firm faith that you are God.
Remind yourself constantly, "I am God". Then you will become God.

The world a veritable University for man

Posted by: ""   kishoreharcharan

Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:59 pm (PST)

The world is a great teacher, a constant guide and source of inspiration.
That is the reason why man is placed in the world. Every bird, every
animal, every tree, mountain and star and each tiny worm has a lesson for man, if
he has but the thirst to learn. These make a world a veritable University
for man; it is but a Gurukulam (a school for spiritual learning) where he
is a pupil from birth to death.


Knowledge is power

Posted by: ""

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:00 pm (PST)


Blurb of the book 'A Catholic Priest meets Sai Baba'
(1946 - 2001)

Don Mario Mazzoleni published a book "A Catholic Priest Meets Sai Baba"
(1994 Leela Inc.). In this he later wrote an 'Afterword' with the sub-title
"Farewell, Mother! The History of an Excommunication". The first publication of
his book was in September/October of 1991. According to his US editor,
former publisher and devotee Jack Scher of Leela Press Inc., his Afterword was
not included in the Italian edition.

  Mazzoleni wrote that he realised when he wrote the book that there would
be a reaction by the church hierarchy. His aim was to awaken some interest,
of whatever kind, in Sathya Sai Baba who is announcing a time of redemption
for our ailing human race. Mazzoleni did not imagine that the Church would
have recourse to such anachronistic measures as excommunication.

  In his 'Afterword', Mazzoleni greatly dramatised what occurred, referring
to "a very beautiful, but rather bitter film by Lilian Cavani, called
Galileo. He wrote that he tried to put himself in the place of the 16th Century
heterodox priest Giordano Bruno, when he was condemned and burned alive. He
was moved deeply by "the chilling screams of that monk, enveloped in flames",
asking himself if he too would be capable of facing the stake? He tells
that he trembled at the very thought that he might give in, if even only
mentally. But he also reflected that a fire kills you in a few minutes - terrible
but brief minutes, and mused on what would happen to him if, to escape being
burned by those flames, he consumed himself in the fire of betraying the
Truth? He concluded that to be "the most disgraceful death sentence: no
remedy, not even Time, could ever lessen it or even ease its pain."

  The Italian press gave a lot of attention to his excommunication, mostly
with what he saw as the usual superficiality, confusing the issue in his
view by "mixing up the Divine with the so-called Indian gurus". The Catholic
press unanimously condemned him, he claims, and encouraged people "to morally
lynch the sinner".

  He reports that the Vatican was careful to avoid giving him a regular
trial. He states he had dealings with only Cardinal Camillo Ruini, and that the
Vicar of the Diocese of Rome. Cardinal Ratzinger, the head of the Holy
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, the only body with the qualifications to
judge his case, was evidently not even consulted. He had expected that the
Pope would be asked, claiming to know that the Pope (John Paul II) was
inflexibly reluctant to allow anyone to leave the priesthood.

The sentence which declared him to be a "heretic," and the subsequent
condemnation, were issued with a rapidity that surprised him, wrote Mazzoleni. He
stated that no legal defense was allowed, or even suggested, for the
"defendant" (who in Canon Law is termed delinquens, that is, a "delinquent" or
"culprit"). He bemoans the fact that it was decided to avoid a legal procedure,
though he notes that a judge in an ecclesiastical court told him that this
way he was spared many humiliations and psychological pressures.

  Mazzoleni asserted that, although the Church had excommunicated him, he
continued to love Her as his Mother, even without the return love that any
son, no matter how degenerate, should be able to expect from his mother. The
only judgement that he said he loved with awe and respect was God's. He
claimed to know that he had acted in His presence with a pure conscience, and
that everything that he had written and said flowed from a great love for

  He writes of his reaction to the Pontifex of the Roman Church having
rehabilitated Galileo some months previously, and apologized to scientists for
the errors of the past. Mazzoleni thought about all the documents, all the
trial-transcripts, all the condemnations that were issued against that eminent
astronomer, musing on who knows when the world will ever see first-hand
what was actually written and said, not only about Galileo, but also about all
the other people who ended up burned or tortured or exiled? Thinking about
this, Mazzoleni notes that decided it was proper to write some historical
notes about his case, so that anyone interested can know what actually

  Mazzoleni also points out that the Vatican authorities were so concerned
with spreading the news that after four months they spread it again, as if
it were brand new, through all the national press, and even in Switzerland.

  Monsignor Roberto of the episcopal see of Bergamo, Amadei, who had been
his professor of Church history when he was studying theology (1965-1969)
called him to a meeting. After a few initial pleasantries, Roberto reportedly
spoke to Mazzoleni about the book. Mazzoleni notes he was told, among much
else, that he was upholding some ideas which are not in line with those of the
Church, such as a distinction between Jesus and the Christ . He was told
that the Christ, for the Church, is Jesus Christ, and there cannot be anyone
else. He was also told that Roberto could not agree with his opinion in which
he was putting Christ and Sathya Sai Baba on the same level!

  A few weeks later, Mazzoleni stated, in the Catholic daily L'Eco di
Bergamo (allegedly supported by the Curia), that two articles appeared one after
the other, which refuted various points made in his book. They were
apparently written by a priest who taught at the diocesan Seminary and was the first
official response on the part of the clergy.

  On the 24th of May Mazzoleni received a registered letter by express mail
from the Vicariate of Rome, which he transcribed as follows:

  Rome, May 18, 1992. Prot. N. 447/92.
The Cardinal Camillo Ruini, Vicar-General of His Holiness John Paul II for
the Diocese of Rome, seeing that - the Bishop of Bergamo has informed the
Vieariate of Rome, in a note of December 17, 1991, that the writings, the
public declarations and the - to say the least - disconcerting ideas upheld by
the Priest don Mario Mazzoleni in regard to the Indian teacher Sai Baba,
whose convinced follower he declares himself to be, excite significant
astonishment and scandal among the faithful; - the priest, on November 23, 1990,
dedicated the book entitled A Priest Meets Sai Baba to "the Catholic Church," a
book which, though it begins with the praiseworthy intent of seeking the
action of the Spirit of God in every man and in every religious experience,
ends up disavowing the truths of the Catholic faith;

- an attentive reading of the book reveals that the author has lost his
Catholic faith in the Holy Trinity and in Christ as the Only Savior, and,
especially in the letters addressed to a friend (pp. 210-213 and 216-217), the
unicity of Christ the Savior is expressly denied; - the assertions moreover
that accept Sai Baba's claim to be a divine incarnation, that defend his
works, miracles, sayings and doctrines, are grave affirmations against the faith;
- the public declarations of don Mario Mazzoleni have caused confusion and
scandal because of the fact that they come from a priest who continues to
exercise his ministry in the name of the Catholic Church; - since the good
faith of the writer shows clearly from the tenor of the book's dedication, it
is all the more necessary to call the priest back from error with an urgent
request to cease causing scandal and to return to the doctrine of the Church,
invites the Priest Mario Mazzoleni to retreat from his heretical doctrinal
positions, to cease causing scandal, to explicitly retract his errors within
the suitable time of three months; with the warning that if the retraction
is not forthcoming the Cardinal will have to proceed to declare
excommunication latae sententiae [in the broad sense] for heresy according to Canon law
1364, and subsequently to bar the priest from the exercise of the power of
his office, until he returns to the Catholic doctrine.

He further invites the same priest to a personal interview on the subject
in his office at the Vicariate of Rome on the day June 3, 1992 at 10 a.m., or
else on June 6, 1992, at 12 noon.
Camillo Card. Ruini Vicar-General

  Mazzoleni says he was not so excessively upset by this, despite the
gravity of his situation. He thought the cardinal's invitation to a meeting
seemed like a good opportunity to speak to him about his experience, and to make
Sai Baba known to these men. This he wrote had always been his only dream as
a Catholic priest. He made an appointment for June 3, the anniversary of
the death of Pope John XXIII.

He wrote that he felt very much at ease; having no fear, and inside himself
constantly Bringing his thought to "Him who holds all the threads of
history". Little good did these overwrought ideas do him, of course, as soon

  He then describes the meeting and his thoughts about the Cardinal at
length. He had transcribed in a letter to the Cardinal the various things that
he wanted to say when he met him and ended up saying exactly what he had
written. The letter is virtually only propaganda for Sathya Sai Baba, his
"miracles" and "teachings".

   Upon returning to Italy, Mazzoleni reports that expected to find the
decision from the Vatican, but there was no registered letter in his mail and
the silence amazed him and unnerved him a little. Thursday, September 24, the
fateful letter arrived, reportedly a fully formal decree, printed on a
sheet twice as large as the protocol, and on a yellowish parchment; at the top,
in the centre was the coat of arms of cardinal Ruini in orange ink.
Mazzoleni tells that the decree repeated exactly the text of the preceding letter,
with only a few additions.

  The condemnation Mazzoleni received was: excommunication latae sententiae
for heresy, in accordance with Canon law 1364, with the penalties
established in Canon law 1331. The decree reportedly concludes with the following
declaration: "The above-mentioned disciplinary actions shall be in effect until
the priest, with the grace of the Lord, retreats from his obstinacy and
insubordination in accordance with Canon law 1347, section 2."

  An excommunicated priest is barred from performing any of the rites or
acts one is authorized to perform through having been consecrated by one's
religious order. A "suspended" priest can never celebrate mass, hear
confessions, or administer any sacrament, though he can receive them (i.e. taking
communion, going to confession, etc...) But excommunication, Mazzoleni tells, is
a formal action by which the superior authorities forbid a person " 1) to
take part in any way as a minister in celebrating the Eucharistic Sacrifice
or any other ceremony of public worship; 2) to celebrate sacraments or holy
rites or to receive sacraments; 3) to exercise any function in any
ecclesiastical offices or ministries or duties whatsoever." In the event that the
"guilty party" should not obey the aforesaid measures, "he must be driven away,
or else the liturgy must be interrupted, unless some grave situation
prevents it" (Canon law 1331).

  In Mazzoleni 's case of excommunication for "heresy," he was considered
an outcast in every sense. An excommunicated priest loses any right to any
kind of financial support, severance pay, any compensation or benefits, and is
thus suddenly deprived of any income. Mazzoleni also notes,
melodramatically, that until just a few centuries ago, he would have ended his earthly
existence inside a spectacular bonfire in the town's main square.

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Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:00 pm (PST)


Re: Is Sharmila Tagor a Hindu?

Posted by: "Dilip Amin"   dilipamin

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:03 pm (PST)

Dear Raviji,
You mentioned that "only a miniscule amount of Hindus who marry a Muslim in an Islamic ceremony is converted to Islam."   WRONG!!??!!??
As I understood, for a Hindu, there is ABSOLUTELY NO NIKAAH (marriage) WITHOUT THE SHAHADAH (conversion, Muslim name giving and promise to raise kids as Muslims only). The Shahadah could be done in private and thus the converting Hindu does not have to disclose it to public, not even to their parents!! If "Islamic Nikaah is ever possible without the Shahadah", give me contact information of those imams and I will call them to confirm it or ask them to write here..
I thought that a high number of Hindus (like 80%+) in America, convert to Islam for their Nikaah. Raviji, which country you are talking about where only a few Hindus have Nikaah/Shahadah?
Further, I am surprised but happy to hear that..."if the Hindu marries a Muslim, it is she (Muslim) who is more active in Hindu life, and supports Hindu work." Where? Where? Is this exceptional cases you are talking about or you see this all over? It is possible that certain Muslims (like Vora Muslims from Gujarat) are more liberal. For Pakistani Muslims (as we see most cases in America), what you mentioned is a rare to find. Please elaborate more. I am learning, thanks for educating me!!
Ask those Hindu-Muslim couples (or your could summarized all these) to share their views, for the benefit of other young adults, at
I fully agree to rest that you mentioned below. I am looking forward to learning more from you.
 Dilip Amin
Forum for Interfaith Marraiges with Equality

From: Raviji <>
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 2:10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Courtesy __ Is Sharmila Tagor a Hindu?

Based o n my perso n al experience
As far as I  know, only a miniscule amt of Hindus who marry a Muslim in an Islamic ceremony is converted to Islam first, name et all; after this many of them may resume Hindu identity. Fewgive their children Hindu names, orthers may get a mix of Islamic and Hindu names; and of course many Hindus are now including Christian names whether converted or not.
Most of this is done by voluntary consent of the Hindu - whether male or female.  After marriage; in general, the Hindu male hardly participates in Hindu life and hardly assists in Hindu community work. Often , in my experience, if the Hindu marries a muslim, it is she who is more active in Hindu life, and supports Hindu work.
From:Caribbea n Hi n dus@yahoogroups. com [mailto: Caribbea n Hi n dus@yahoogroups. com ] O n Behalf Of Dilip Ami n
Se n t: Mo n day, Ja n uary 11, 2010 10:22 PM
To: Carribea n Hi n du group message
Subject: [Courtesy Caribbea n Hi n du. n et __ Is Sharmila Tagor a Hindu?
As appeared in INDIA ABROAD, issue January 15, 2010 (page A3). Express your views on this letter at  http://www.interfai thshaadi. org/blog/ ?p=257

Plan that interfaith marriage:
I read with interest Khyati Joshi and John Bartlett's interfaith married life (January 1).
With their wedding from both traditions, a son with a Hindu name Kedar who was Baptized and who is soon to have a thread ceremony, is this a marriage where both faiths are equal? Actress Sharmila Tagore may also claim her marriage to be of equality even after converting to Islam when she married Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi, changing her name to Begum Ayesha Sultana, gaving Muslim names to all their three children and raising their children as Muslims.
My marriage surveys show that 38 percent of Hindus and 45 percent of Muslims in America marry outside their own faiths. For this reason it is critical to listen to Khyati's suggestion to recognize non-negotiables much before the engagement.
Dilip Amin
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My next article:
Kareen Kapoor and Saif Ali Khan: A marriage of equality?Summary: These days, Kareena Kapoor and Saif Ali Khan´s romance is a hot subject for Bollywood. In 1991, Saif Ali Khan had nikaah (with religious conversion) with actress Amrita Singh, both their children have Middle Eastern names (Sara and Ibrahim) and in 2004, Amrita got a Talaak. Will Kareena have the same religious fate as Sharmila and Amrita or will Kareena have the choice to remain a proud Hindu to enjoy her interfaith marriage with equality?Express your views at:    http://www.interfai thshaadi. org/blog/ ?p=257


Fw: Hindu Women Organization

Posted by: "Dool Singh"   deobisnath

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:03 pm (PST)

From: Dool Singh <>
Subject: Hindu Women Organization
To: "express" <>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 3:06 PM

Dear Editor,
I read with interest the Hindu Women Oraganization accusing Basdeo Panday of introducing "goonda" politics and more so being disrespectful of women.

While I welcome and respect the right of the Hindu Women Organization (HWO) to comment on the politics of the day, I would like to ask why they didn't respond to Patrick Manning when it was he that firstly accused Kamla in Parliament of this character flaw or what I prefer to call a social disease.

It is clear to me that the the HIndu Women Organization and other political commentators find time to criticise and condemn Panday when he commits a perceived blunder but are silent on the evils that the PNM regime contines to perpetrate against poor Hindu women and their families..

Has the Hindu Women Organization find it relevant to call on the government to provide the ex-Caroni workers with the lands promised to them? Have they seen it fit to join hands with Hindu women of Debe, Barrackpore and Penal who have to endure long spells of try taps to improve their water supplies?

Did the HWO condemed the government for its unfair distribution of educational grants to pursue tertiary education, or the unfair distribution of housing by the HDC? They would not because they have the financial resources to pay for their children education.

The HWO is a hanful of elitist Hindu women who drinks tea and champaigne in Valsayn Park. They choose to be unconcerned and unconnected to the daily struggles of the poor Hindu women of Debe and Caroni.

This upper middle class elitist group (not more than five membrs) have been rejected by the PNM and despite their education and paisa have failed to win political office because Basdeo Panday stands like a wall on their path. They don't have the wisdom to team up with him for that would mean rubbing shoulders with former cane cutters and doubles vendors, their very kith and kin whom they despise.

The HWO belongs to that elite group that believe that having an MBA, a Prado or BMW and living in a upscale residential area qualify them to hold political office. They are unminful of the fact that you have to struggle with the masses and win their confidence. They believe that they are wise and the the the 'stupid" masses should recognize that and vote them into office.



Mom only had one eye

Posted by: "danchan budhoo"   dbudhoo2000

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:04 pm (PST)


My mom only had one eye. I hated her... She was such an embarrassment. She cooked for students and teachers to support the family.
There was this one day during elementary school where my mom came to say hello to me. I was so embarrassed.
How could she do this to me? I ignored her, threw her a hateful look and ran out. The next day at school one of my classmates said, `EEEE, your mom only has one eye!´
I wanted to bury myself. I also wanted my mom to just disappear. I confronted her that day and said, ` If you´re only gonna make me a laughing stock, why don´t you just die?´
My mom did not respond... I didn´t even stop to think for a second about what I had said, because I was full of anger. I was oblivious to her feelings.
I wanted out of that house, and have nothing to do with her. So I studied real hard, got a chance to go abroad to study.
Then, I got married. I bought a house of my own. I had kids of my own. I was happy with my life, my kids and the comforts. Then one day, my Mother came to visit me. She hadn´t seen me in years and she didn´t even meet her grandchildren.
When she stood by the door, my children laughed at her, and I yelled at her for coming over uninvited. I screamed at her, `How dare you come to my house and scare my children!´ GET OUT OF HERE! NOW!!!´
And to this, my mother quietly answered, `Oh, I´m so sorry. I may have gotten the wrong address,´ and she disappeared out of sight.
One day, a letter regarding a school reunion came to my house. So I lied to my wife that I was going on a business trip. After the reunion, I went to the old shack just out of curiosity.
My neighbors said that she died. I did not shed a single tear. They handed me a letter that she had wanted me to have.
`My dearest son,
I think of you all the time. I´m sorry that I came to your house and scared your children.
I was so glad when I heard you were coming for the reunion. But I may not be able to even get out of bed to see you. I´m sorry that I was a constant embarrassment to you when you were growing up.
You see........when you were very little, you got into an accident, and lost your eye. As a mother, I couldn´t stand watching you having to grow up with one eye. So I gave you mine.
I was so proud of my son who was seeing a whole new world for me, in my place, with that eye.
With all my love to you,
Your mother.´
"The heart of a mother is a deep abyss at the bottom of which you will always find forgiveness."
                                                 :::::Dann Budhoo:::::



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Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:05 pm (PST)

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The Congress of the People has launched a relief programme to assist the
citizens of Haiti in the aftermath of the massive 7.3 earthquake that hit
the island yesterday (Tuesday, January 12th) and has left thousands dead and
millions of dollars in destruction in its wake.**

Our CARICOM brothers and sisters in Haiti are in dire need. These already
impoverished people have been burdened with even more suffering. Many
hundreds of thousands are homeless and hungry. A great number of them are
babies and children.

The Congress of the People has set up a Hardship Committee to coordinate any
help that members of the public can offer. We're particularly looking for
clothing, bedding and canned food. This is an urgent request for any help
that you and your family can offer.

Two offices have been allocated in Trinidad for the collection of your
donations, the COP Flagship House situated at 2 Broome Street, Port of Spain
(622-5817) and COP's Operations Centre, 213 Caroni Savannah Road,
Charlieville, Chaguanas (671-1134) and persons willing to contribute in
Tobago should contact Jonathan Stone at 374-1034.

The people of Trinidad and Tobago stand shoulder to shoulder with our
suffering brothers and sisters in Haiti at this time and we look forward to
any contribution that you can make.

Additionally, COP's Political Leader Winston Dookeran has called on CARICOM
nations to make an immediate diplomatic initiative to seek international
support from the multi-lateral institutions like the World Bank and the
European Investment Bank among others to allay some of the deep suffering
that is taking place in Haiti at this time.


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Dissolve into dance, be one with it

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Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:07 pm (PST)

Dissolve into dance, be one with it
SADHGURU, 12 January 2010, 12:00am IST

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* _speaking tree_
( tree)
* _spirituality_
* _Perception_
* _Cosmic dance_
( dance)

The cosmic _dance_
( is
so perfect that we almost forget the Dancer. But there can be no dance
without a dancer. We cannot see the dancer because our



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our perception, anthropocentric.

To discover the _Dancer_
) in the dance, you must get immersed in the dance so that you also
become the dance. You are no longer a spectator, you are it, you know the Dancer
by experience; you are touched by Him. Or, if you want to know the Dancer
in His full depth and dimension, to know the source of the dance, that
which is the basis of the act, then you should pay absolute attention. This may
seem contradictory: on one level, I am saying you must plunge into the
dance; on another level, I am saying you must be able to watch with utmost

But the world is round - nothing contradicts anything. When you look at it
in a fragmented way, if you cut it into pieces and then look at it,
everything seems to be contradictory.

So, if you are totally involved in the dance that is one way of knowing.
Or, if you know how to keep away from that, if you are absolutely uninvolved
and are able to observe the act totally, if you can decipher the
difference between the act and the _actor_
972.cms#) , the dance and the Dancer, that is another way of knowing. The
second way requires much more awareness, sharpness, intensity, and
training; it is easier to become part of the dance.

Slowly, as the rhythm picks up, as you get drawn deeper and deeper into
it, you will not know which is you and which is the dance. Once you are a part
of the dance, you cannot miss the presence of the Dancer.

All of us have come with the same seed. Though every seed has come with
the same possibility, between a seed and a tree, there is a _journey_
nce-be-one-with-it/articleshow/5432972.cms#) to be made. If you want the
seed to become a tree, you have to nurture it, protect it; there are weeds
that you have to take care of. The same weeds have been bothering us since
ages; still we haven´t figured out how to handle them. Anger, hatred,
jealousy, fear, doubt - the same silly weeds have lasted too long because weeds
do not need nurturing, they need no protection nor cultivation. They just

If you want a sacred seed to sprout and prosper, you have to clear the
weeds, cultivate the land, add manure and provide for water and sunlight. If
you are afraid of the harshness of the sunlight and avoid it, you will also
avoid its life-nourishing warmth. So do not waste your time by constantly
going through the same nonsense that we have gone through for a million

If light has to dawn for you - I say "for you" as light itself has
already happened - the simplest thing to do is to separate what is you from what
is yours. Just an intellectual exercise will not do, though it may begin
that way.

The seed of the Creator is in you, and it will not give you a moment of
rest till it finds its original nature. You will never know real peace in
your life; you will never know absolute ease in your life till you allow the
Creator to find His way. You´re constant longing to be something more than
what you are right now; the basis of the very desiring process is just this:
the source of Creation striving to find its boundless nature.



Posted by: "Ronald Bhola"   paxelectronica

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:07 pm (PST)

History of Karnataka

History is, "a story or record of important events that happened to a person or nation, usually with an explanation of causes and effects".

Legend has it that the history of Karnataka dates back to the happenings in the Epic, Ramayana.

Moreover, the history of Karnataka also has a bearing to the period when people from the western countries came here in search of a market.

But the ancient history of Karnataka apparently starts with the Mauryas. After the Mauryas, the history of Karnataka witnessed the rule of Satavahanas who ruled Karnataka for nearly 300 years.

The Satavahanas, in their turn, were replaced by Kadambas and the Pallavas, the Gangadikaras, the Chalukyas of Badami, the Rashtrakutas, the Kalacharis, the Hoysalas, the Yadavas, the Kakaiyas and so on.

Moreover, with the rise of the Malik Kafur, the history of Karnataka saw the emergence of the Muslim rulers.

Yet in 1336 a Hindu kingdom was established at Vijaynagar by the Harihara (Hakka) and Bukka. This period of wealth and property and the economy of Karnataka shot up vigorously, under these rulers.

But all good things come to an end and so did this kingdom; it was replaced by the Bahamanis in 1337. The Bhamanis gave way to the Vijayanagar empire, which in its turn, lost to the Sultans of the Deccan at the famous battle of Talikota.

Subsequently, with the emergence of the British in the political scenario of India, the local administrators of India had to yield to the expansionist policy of the Britishers. Karnataka went under the charge of the Britishers in 1799 and it remained a princely state with a presiding puppet king as its head till 1947 when India got its independence.

Ultimately, in 1973 Karnataka became an independent state of the Indian Union.
Ancient Karnataka

Ancient Karnataka, as the legend says, is associated with the happenings in the Ramayana. In fact, legend affirms that the ancient Karnataka was associated with the kingdom of grandfathers of Bhagirath and also with Lord Shiva.

Moreover, Karnataka had long been the interest of the foreign traders, who came to India in search of its material wealth and also for its spices which had a great demand in the western market.

Further, ancient Karnataka dates back to the period when Chandragupta Maurya ascended the throne of Karnataka. Chandragupta Maurya, one of the great rulers of ancient Karnataka, exercised his control over the region till his death. Under the Mauryas, the territory of Karnataka flourished like the Garden of Eden with tremendous wealth within its realms. But the Mauryans could not have held the throne till eternity; therefore it passed on to the Satavahanas. Karnataka ancient history confirms that the Satavahanas ruled Karnataka for nearly 300 years.

The Satavahans, as the ancient history of Karnataka has it, were followed by the Kadambas and Pallavas. After the Kadambas and Pallavas, rose the Gangadikaras who ruled in the region till the 11th century. The Chalukyas of Badami, the Rashtrakutas, the Kalacharis, the Hoysalas, the Yadavs, the Kakatiyas, etc, followed the Gangadikaras in Karnataka.

Moreover, Karnataka also saw the genesis of a Muslim kingdom which began with the Malik Kafur's accession to the throne of Karnataka. But this Muslim kingdom could not hold on for long and in 1336, Harihara (Hakka) and Bukka established a Hindu kingdom at Vijayanagar.

Medieval Karnataka

The medieval Karnataka deals with the Chalukyas, Rahstrakutas, Western Chalukyas, Hoysalas, Gangas and the Vijaynagar empire. These kingdom as a whole constitute the medieval Karnataka or the medieval history of Karnataka, as we call it.

The medieval Karnataka starts with the emergence of the Hoysalas during the first millennium. During the reign of the Hoysalas, as the medieval Karnataka has it, art and architecture flourished tremendously in Karnataka. Throughout the entire region we find temples and structures adhering to the Vesara style of architecture that was prevalent at that point time.

Under the Hoysalas, the kingdom of Karnataka also included parts of Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu.

Subsequently, the Vijaynagar empire rose in Karnataka in the 14th century AD. The Vijaynagar empire was established by the joint efforts of Harihara I and Bukka Raya, who according to the medieval Karnataka were the commanders of the last Hoysala king, Veer Ballala III.

Further speaking about medieval Karnataka, it can be said that the Bahamani Sultans of Bidar were the actual competitors of the Vijaynagar kings. It is after the fall of the Vijaynagar kingdom in the Battle of Talikota in 1565, that the Bijapur Sultanate under the Sultans of Bahamani, rose to power.

It was under the rule of the Bijapur Sultanate and the Bahamani rulers that the Urdu and Persian flourished in the kingdom of Karnataka. During this period, as the medieval history of Karnataka maintains, Indo-Saracenic architecture also flourished in the realms of the kingdom; the Gol Gumbaz is one of the best example of the Indo-Saracenic architecture.

Ultimately, the medieval Karnataka culminates into modern Karnataka with the influx of the Mughals in the political scenario of Karnataka

Modern Karnataka

Modern Karnataka holds an account of events that took place after the decline of the Mughal empire. It goes like this that the Wodeyars took Karnataka on lease from the Mughal king Aurangzeb in the 15th century. As per the history of modern Karnataka, the Wodeyars came to power in Mysore in 1399 AD. Wodeyars made Mysore a small principality with Srirangapatnam as their capital. But, the Wodeyars were overthrown by Hyder Ali. After the death of Krishnaraja Wodeyar II, Hyder Ali, the commander-in-chief of the Mysore Army, came to the throne of Karnataka.

Hyder Ali was an efficient king in the history of modern Karnataka. After the departure of Hyder Ali, it was his son Tipu Sultan who assumed the control of Karnataka.

Tipu Sultan, known as the Tiger of Mysore, is one of the most powerful rulers of modern Karnataka. There were the wars fought between Tipu Sultan and the British, who had assumed great power in the other regions of India. The four Anglo-Mysore Wars are very crucial in the history of modern Karnataka. In fact, it were these battles that paved the way for British supremacy in southern India. Moreover, it was in the last Anglo-Mysore War that Tipu Sultan lost his life, fighting for the cause of his territory.

After the death of Tipu Sultan, the British assumed control over the territory. Mysore remained a princely state till 1947. It was in 1973 that Karnataka, which was earlier known as Mysore, became a part of the India Union.

Kodachadri, Karnataka

Kodachadri is a pleasant hill resort located at a distance of about 115 kilometers from Shimoga and 36 kilometers from Hosanagara, State of Karnataka. This picturesque hill is located such that it overlooks the vast Western Ghats.

Kodachadri of Karnataka is reputed for its splendid sunrises and sunsets. The peak of Kodachadri (at a height of 1343 meters above sea level) may be reached after a five-hour trek. On the western part, the hill descends almost steeply for about 1220 meters until it joins the forest of Udupi district. The well known temple town of Kollur is 12 kilometers away. These hills (4411 ft) comprise one of the biggest forest zones in Karnataka and a section of this region constitutes the Mookambika Nature Reserve. Kollur is the perfect base from which to explore the hills. The Mookambika Nature Camp is situated 4 kilometers to the south of Kollur. The Linganmakki Dam, within close proximity of Kodachadri, is also a must see for visitors to this place.

The best time to visit the hill station of Kodachadri at Karnataka is in the period within October to May.

Kodachadri is at a distance of about 400 kilometers away from Bangalore. It is very near to Shimoga which is situated 120 kilometers away. From Bangalore you may take the National Highway No. 4 upto Nelamangala and then change track to to National Highway No.48 till Hassan State Highways will take you to Shimoga via Chickmagalur, Tarikere and Bhadravati. More to the west from Shimoga is Kodachadri, almost three hours away.

Shimoga is the closest railway station while Mangalore happens to be the nearest airport.

Kodachadri is one of the most important hill stations of Karnataka.

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Re: Women's Liberation in India?

Posted by: "Babu Sushilan"   babusushilan

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:09 pm (PST)

Liberation moments are meant for liberating traditional people from their life sustaining cultural roots and enslaving them in rigid, non-compromising, fundamentalist dogma. Once they are enslaved, they can be easily manipulated and controlled by their slave masters. These enslaved people will loose their freedom, creativity and progressive outlook and harmonious life.
Vested interest groups, sex industry and missionaries are financing, directing and managing such liberation moments. It is not liberation moment to preserve culture, family and spiritual uplifting. It is meant for sexual exploitation, break up of families and enslavement.

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, ron baner <> wrote:

From: ron baner <>
Subject: Re: [Courtesy __ Women's Liberation in India?
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:21 AM


These documentaries are financed by Christian missionaries and are lies to defame Hindus.

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Courtesy CaribbeanHindu. net __ Women's Liberation in India?


Whatever you see in the documentary, whatever you see in a film, whatever you see in a visual, what ever you see in a news paper, whatever you read in a paper, if all that can be believed,  I am living in fools paradise.... .
Making a documentary of such type is only for name, fame and money and nothing else. The conditions of Indian women are not that is seen in that documentary.  Such things are too far from the truth.

--- On Sun, 10/1/10, NavyaShastra@ yahoogroups. com <NavyaShastra@ yahoogroups. com> wrote:

From: NavyaShastra@ yahoogroups. com <NavyaShastra@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [Courtesy CaribbeanHindu. net __ Women's Liberation in India?
To: caribbeanhindus@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 10 January, 2010, 10:36 AM


<< Should Raja Ram Mohan Roy or Mahatma Gandhi be alive today, they would have died a thousand deaths out of national shame.>>�


Whither women´s liberation?


`Holy Wives´ depicts heartrending stories of the Devadasis of Karnataka, A.P. & M. P.

Bollywood movies pale into insignificance when you see the documentary

When I met a friend of mine recently, I found her unusually sad which is against her otherwise cheerful nature. When I asked her the reason for her disorientation, she said to me, "Go watch the documentary `Holy Wives´ by Ritesh Sharma. It depicts the truly heartrending stories and the plight of the Devadasis of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. You will then realise the cause of my sadness and despondency."

When I finally managed to watch it, I realised how bold the young documentary maker had been, having spent over two years traversing the interior territories of these three States researching this subject, not to mention all the attendant risks associated with such whistle-blowing.

The documentary consists of poignant real tales of cruelty and brutality of some socially powerful men and to what abysmal sadism they can stoop to quench their insatiable lust by perpetuating the barbaric exploitation of these illiterate Devadasis.

This tribe has children whose paternity can never be established by any court of law. It suits the entire community to keep this segment of our population illiterate and unaware of their fundamental rights to exist with dignity and self-respect, thanks to an indifferent police force, bureaucracy and our respected elected representatives that constitute our State and Central governments.

Should Raja Ram Mohan Roy or Mahatma Gandhi be alive today, they would have died a thousand deaths out of national shame.

It appears that there is no effective legislation against this horrific system in the garb of religious practice/ritual in either Karnataka or Madhya Pradesh and although there is one in Andhra Pradesh, it is marred by tardy implementation.

This leads us nowhere. It is puzzling how the existing laws against immoral trafficking and flesh trade cannot be used by these States to put an end to such inhuman slavery in the name of religious rituals. The film maker has not used any makeovers to record the episodes in order to make the stories flow through the horse´s mouths.

When you go through the entire length of the documentary, it depresses you no end to view the gory details of the tortures inflicted upon these voiceless women. Even little girls are not spared by the sadistic and socially powerful dons. Bollywood movies made on this subject pale into insignificance when you see the reality depicted in the documentary.

After all, facts are always worse than fiction. To add to the woes of these victims, the very society whose apathy has perpetuated this horrid system in the garb of "Divine ordinance" rises up in arms if they ever find any of these "tainted" kids enrolling in the schools attended by their own kids, thereby forcing all the schools in these areas to close their doors to these innocent children.

Education has failed to broaden our outlook. Having been denied the basic right to education and a means to honourable living, these helpless children are forced into the flesh trade by the ever-greedy traffickers and the hapless mothers, moving them from one living hell to another.

Their escape routes are closed forever at a tender age. I wonder if these pitiable beings ever see the light at the end of the dark tunnel that they have been pushed into. There seems to be no authentic data available on the extent to which these women and children have been afflicted by the terrible diseases associated with the trade. We can also safely assume colossal indifference on the part of any official machinery designated to provide timely and appropriate medical aid.

Will the Ministers in charge of women and children´s welfare ever come up with a credible, accountable and time-bound initiative to end such a barbaric state of affairs?

Only time will tell. Until then, we are forced to lament over the state of such slavery at the very end of the sixth decade of our Independence from colonial rule.


http://www.hindu. com/op/2010/ 01/10/stories/ 2010011055731400 .htm


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Posted by: ""   kishoreharcharan

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:09 pm (PST)


Fwd: These scornful supremacists

Posted by: "rick maharaj"

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:09 pm (PST)

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From: rick maharaj <>
Date: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Subject: These scornful supremacists

These scornful supremacists, who are unable to practice what they preach,
now want to play holier than thou calling this Lajabless a Goddess. Shree
Ram had Lakshman cut off the nose and ear of one such Lajabless who tried to
deceive them with a pretty appearance which camouflaged her actual filthy
character. Shree Krishna killed one such Lajabless who pretended to be a
caring motherly figure but was actually intent on killing children with her
poisoned (alcoholic) milk. You set of scornful parasites are so shameless
that you have compared this stinking Lajabless to Goddess Lakshmi when in
fact she is more like the poison which resulted from the churning of the


Re: [Courtesy __ are you safe ?

Posted by: "Rajesh Patil"   patilrama

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:11 pm (PST)

I am glad to read this..

2010/1/13 Sonah Nagassar <>

> Rajish, we are close ,geographically, to Haiti which suffered a massive
> earthquake . For now we are fine .....but anything can happen .
> ------------------------------
> To:
> From:
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:54:40 +0530
> Subject: [Courtesy __ are you safe ?
> I heard a news about the massive earthquake in Haiti. Thousands are feared
> dead. How about you all who are part of this forum and staying nearby Haiti
> ?
> Are you all safe ? Are your kiths kins relatives friends safe ?
> Please share... if you can..
> Dhanyawaad
> Rajesh
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Fw: No gender shield for Kamla

Posted by: "Richard Seecharan (CCDSJ Intl)"

Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:11 pm (PST)

No gender shield for Kamla
Thursday, January 14th 2010

Are women, including Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who venture in politics off
limits regarding criticism of their lifestyle and other behavioural traits?

How come when people criticise Kamla or question her possible weaknesses or
flaws, they are attacked? 'Don't you have a wife, a daughter, a mother'' is
the most common sexist response, as if it is politically correct to
criticise a man but not a woman.

I have hardly heard anyone respond with 'Don't you have a husband, a son, or
a father'' when a man is criticised. Why? Is this the 'equality'' that is
now demanded of men- they can criticise men, but not women in politics? If a
man is accused of being a drunk, it is ho hum, there is hardly any protest;
but don't dare to say this about a woman, or else face a barrage of
criticism and nasty remarks.

And, why weren't these same people protesting and howling when Manning made
similar remarks about Kamla's drinking in Parliament? Is it okay for the PNM
politicians to criticise Kamla, but not UNC politicians?

In the corporate and professional world, as well as in sports, there aren't
such restrictions; thankfully, after centuries of oppression, women have
finally emerged as equals and even superior to men, and are exposed, with
few exceptions, to the same standards and requirements.

Why should it be different in local politics? No one made exceptions for
Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin; Margaret Thatcher and other successful women
in politics never used the 'sexist'' excuse to escape or deter criticism. It
is time that we step into the modern world and treat all - men and women
equally, and to expect the same standards from both men and women in
politics, and all other sectors in life.

Women, and men, can't have their cake and eat it. If Kamla wants to be
leader and enter the fray, then she should expect to be treated like the

Stop the whining. The last thing we need are people in leadership positions
who resort to whining and complaining when they are criticised. And, being
female should not present you with a free pass to escape criticism and
questions about your lifestyle.

Rakesh Seepersad

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