Sunday, September 7, 2008

Re: [aryasamajonline] US agency demands immediate steps to quell Orissa violence


Peace is taboo in Islam and Christianity

Peace is taboo in Islam. (Koran 2:216). Allah commands, "Fight until persecution, which is worse than slaughter, (Koran, 2:191) is no more and religion is all for Allah." (Koran 8:39) Those Muslims who did not adopt crusade (Jihad) and observed peace have been consigned by Allah to their grave hell, since the inception of Islam. They would bear the punishment till Qayamat i.e the Day of Judgment. However, those who plundered, murdered, raped women of non-Muslims, became Ghazi if survived and secured instant supreme heaven (Firdaus) if slain. Allah is fraud. Allah promises heaven but consigns Muslims in hell until The Day of Judgment.

Similarly, Bible commands,

Extracted from Bible new testament- Matthew 10:34-36

34. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn, a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household.

Extracted from Bible John/ Chapter 6 / Verse 53

Jesus said to them, "I am telling you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood; you have no life in you."

Extracted from Bible-Luke/ Chapter 12 / Verse 49-53.

"49. I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled"

"50. But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!"

"51. Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."

"52. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three."

" 53. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law."

Extracted from Bible-Luke/ Chapter 22 Verses 36-38

"36. He said to them, But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

"38. The disciples said, " See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough. He replied."

Now on freedom of faith

(Bible, Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Would President GW Bush and those US agencies demanding immediate steps to quell Orissa violence

let me know as to why missionaries of India engaged in conversion be not stoned to death?

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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, vavamenon <> wrote:

I am attaching herewith a Vedic Mantra (Peace Invocation Mantra, in which Peace is sought all over) starting with "Aum.... Bhadram Karnebhi...." (also gives a line to "Anthareeksham shanthi…) This is one of the most lovable peace invocation Mantra that I have ever heard. I keep on listening to it as many times as possible in a day, every day.
Hope, you all would like it.
In this violence ridden world, such Mantras should vibrate all around so that the negative / asuric forces engaged in non-stop violence should take a run from the presence of all of us.
Withbest regards,

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, ramans shriman <> wrote:

From: ramans shriman <>
Subject: [aryasamajonline] US agency demands immediate steps to quell Orissa violence
To: "Madhukar Ambekar" <>,,
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:11 AM

"vasudhaiv kutumbkam" is an objectve same like "sarve bhavantu
sukhinah" or "jeevem shardh shatma" or "antariksh
shanti" etc with in the greater mission of KVA .
this is called Holy vedic strategic managemnet of this srasthi.
This holy vedic mission and theses holy vedic objectives are not with
these are Holy Vedic COPY RIGHTs

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, vavamenon <> wrote:

From: vavamenon <>
Subject: [aryasamajonline] Re: US agency demands immediate steps to quell
Orissa violence
To: "Madhukar Ambekar" <>,,
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:17 AM

I thought that "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" meant that members of this
whole humanity is the family of Ishwar, as He Himself resides in everyone's
heart and it is His "chaithanya" (divinity) and the infallible LAW
KARMA guide the universe forward.

--- On Fri, 9/5/08, ramans shriman <> wrote:

From: ramans shriman <>
Subject: US agency demands immediate steps to quell Orissa violence
To: "Madhukar Ambekar" <>,,
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 11:48 AM

this needs an open debate globally coz this is not a kuliya ka gud, it is a
global issue of kalyan of manav samaj and human society . and UNO should be
brought in to the picture. how can any one be it America or Saudi,
unilaterally declare that so and so ideology is the best in a world which
so interconnected to a village level???
Holy vedas have gone further to the present level and have said " vasudhaiv
kutumbkam "

Now mind you that if some one says kutumb what does it mean?????????. It
essentially means that all people in the kutumb are relatives, from the same
faith, same ethics , same beliefs, same behavioral norms same ideologies
etc. the maximum u can degenerate is to similar if not the same coz
below this it will not be a Kutumb any more.
So when this phrase of vasudhaiv kutumbkam was written it might have been the
situation that this vasudha was in unison.and felt like a Kutumb. how
it might hv been???//
Now It is due to the stupidity and lethargy of arya samaj that foreign
religions who are not even on the first page of a kalyan kari ideology, are
dictating that their ideology is the best when lot of their own people
have pondered the subjects and don't find it so.
Some thing has to be seriously done about it.


--- On Fri, 9/5/08, vavamenon <> wrote:

From: vavamenon <>
Subject: [aryasamajonline] Re: [hc] US agency demands immediate steps to quell
Orissa violence
To: "Madhukar Ambekar" <>,
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:17 AM

Last year, Us Senate passed a bill which says that USA,being a Christian
majority nation, considers christianity to be the guiding religion for the
nation, and also that USA respect all christians around the world, and feel
bound to protect the christians all over the world". This in effect
right to the Senate to intervene anywhere in the world where it feels that
christians are persecuted.
In India, conversion business is the only factor which flares up unrests in
different parts of the country. Christians focus their conversion activities
in the tribal belts of india, because educated masses do not find much
attraction in the christian teachings, because India has an all inclusive
concept of God. Indians do not mind anyone following any spiritual path so
long as the individual is happy about it. The problem is the tricky and
deceptive methods of christian evangelism in india, which is focussing on
increasing the numbers in the community, WHICH ACTUALLY UPSETS THE HARMONY AND
proves itself to be a better, if not the best way to God, it cannot expect any
progress in terms of numbers in the country. So, they adopt any method to
convince the uneducated and illiterate labour class people as their targets.
Billions of foreign funds from US and other european countries flow into india
for the CONVERSION BUSINESS. Why cant these countries stop such fund flows in
the first place ?
Sanatana Dharma, which is now called as a religion in the name of Hinduism, is
a universal system for each and every individual to achieve SELF/God
and has never divided the humanity into petty religions such as christianity,
islam, etc., all of which fight among themselves to establish that theirs is
only true religion and God, which has already established the planet earth as
eternal battle-field for dominance. If we look at the political and religious
troubles all over the world, we can find that 95% of them are sponsored by
religious sects. Why all the religious sects cant follow a policy of
A true religion which follows TRUE GOD would be so attractive that people would
flock into such systems and the priest-class/ preachers working as middlemen
GODS do not have to be in the battle-fields protecting their GODS. God is the
protector and need not be protected by us immortals.
With best regards,

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Dr. Madhukar Ambekar <drmnambekar@ uk>

From: Dr. Madhukar Ambekar <drmnambekar@ uk>
Subject: [hc] US agency demands immediate steps to quell Orissa violence
To: "Madhukar Ambekar" <drmnambekar@ uk>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 9:42 PM

US agency demands immediate steps to quell Orissa violence
First was Italian Government. Now US, Who is Next to Internationalize the
Killing of Hindu Priest?

Is it an International Issue? DOES TERRORISM & CONVERSION AFFECT

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Washington, September 4: Slamming the Orissa government for its failure to
protect minorities, an independent federal agency advising the US
administration has demanded the Indian authorities take immediate steps to quell the violence
and order a probe to find out the perpetrators of the attacks.
"The continuing attacks targeting Christians represent the second major
outbreak of religious violence in Orissa since December which underlines the
pressing need for Indian government to develop preventive strategies," the
United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) said.
"Both state and central governments are responsible to protect every
person's right to religious freedom (?), including members of religious
minorities, as guaranteed in international human rights instruments, "
Commission Chair Felice D Gaer said in a statement.
Communal riots broke out in Orissa's Kandhamal district following the
killing of VHP leader swami Lamananda Saraswati on August 23 and at least 16
people have died in the violence.
"The Commission condemns the killing of the Hindu outfit leader and the
violence that has followed and supports Indian Prime Minister Manmohan
Singh's pledge to offer assistance to survivours of the communal
riots," it said.
The USCIRF has called on the US State Department to urge Indian government and
its Human Rights and Minority Commission to continue their investigations and
bring the perpetrators of the violence into account.
"The current conflict shows that the Orissa government has again failed to
protect members of religious minorities," said Gaer.
Earlier in December 2007, similar clashes had broken out in the communally
sensitive district.

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