Sunday, August 31, 2008

Re: [notun_bangladesh] Allah is he Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number.

Sir,

A question with monotheists.

Governments, which are run by ordinary people, are not almighty and creater of universe, as such they cannot create people with programmed minds and behaviours which are not harmful to humanity.  Therefore, they are bound to make laws. But the creator of universe named Jehovah and Allah must have created people with pre-programmed brains of good behaviour and stopped creation of Kafirs and Satans. Therefore, first creating Kafirs and Satans and thereafter creating killers of his own creatures cast doubt on the integrity and might of either Jehovah or Allah.




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On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:26 AM, sajjad anwar <gli2der@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mr. Mullah Maudoodi due to lack of knowledge and research as well as his own self promoting schemes never wrote the truth anyway. His translations of the Quran all also half truth.
The seven layers are the atmospheric layers above us. Consult any good geography book. The stratophere is just one and the ionosphere is the other.
 
not these Mullahs.
 
 


--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Firoz Alam <afirozny@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Firoz Alam <afirozny@yahoo.com>
Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Allah is he Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number.
To: "News from" <nfb@citech-bd.com>, "Dahuk" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "notun bangladesh" <notun_bangladesh@yahoogroups.com>, "alochona" <alochona@yahoogroups.com>, "vinnomot" <vinnomot@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:09 AM


65:12: [Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.]

My Response: Whether belief in it (seven earth inhabited by human) is an act of faith or reason based on translation or whehter Maulana Maududi did not see the fact, so he ran after fiction or whether knowledge in it is an act of enlightening oneself, I don't know. But based on this above verse, unknow cant be known becase this verse does not talk about seven earth as it appeared to you that Maulana Maududi might have said such thing without providing any of his proof. If science is belief in it is an act of faith then let us find it out.
 
I think that the unenlightened who bows in apprehension or awe (for fear or for reward to go to heaven and hell (21.30) which does not exist in quran in my view) before the image of an "unknown Allah" (not knowing Allah's attributes) may be rendering all the worship or pray he knows; but the soul that finds its sublimity (divinity) by knowledge and love has communion of another kind of Allah (the soul of universe, the beauty of Allah's creation - to keep it pristine form; hence we pray, adore and worship - to prevent qiyamath on earth). So the worship which many render to the unexplained, the cataclysmal (change in the earth's crust) — this is the awe that is born of ignorance, no doubt. 
 
In quran say "And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no direct knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself). In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning." [17:36]
 
The book of Quran is not a scientific book nor anyone is claiming it is as such. However, the Quran contains few verses that can't be understood without scientific knowledge; hence these verses of quran's revelation are scientific. And the verse 65.12 is one of them that Mr. Asghar has brought out to us for his intended (presumably!) clarification, and though I do appreciate for his cool temperment indicates his post-judice (not prejudice - led by likes and dislikes) stance. I don't know whether "Our-wills-are-ours-to-make-them-thine" has found its convert to its own ideas or not but I am very much delighted to know that his post-judice stance is quite telling. I reached this(his post-judice stance) conclusion based on choosing of his wording.
 
Now let us see what the verse 65.12 has to say about based on scientific discoveries. It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur'an 1,400 years ago. Fourteen centuries ago, when the sky (heaven as translated in quran in english) was believed to be one unified body, the Qur'an miraculously stated that it consisted of layers, and what is more, "seven" layers and what is more, assigned each layer of sky's own unique duty or unique funtion.(41.12) And these duties or functions are ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves, to averting the harmful effects of meteors(in 41.12 meteors implies missiles). Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers only very recently.
 

The word "firmament" (asma), which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

 
One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers and the earth is also made up of seven layers as well.
 
 The seven firmaments (as-ma) are the seven layers of the Earth's atmosphere. these are defined as the following: Troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, exosphere, ionosphere and magnetosphere.
 
And of the earth a similar number means it has seven layers as well which are defined as the following: crust, litoshpere, upper mantle, astenosphere, lower mantle, outer core and inner core. 
 
For your information, please find below the surah An-Nabaa: 21.30 where described earthly hell.
 
Truly Hell is a place of ambush.
For the transgressors a place of dwelling.
They will abide therein for ages.
Nothing cool shall they taste therein, Nor any drink.
Except boiling water, and dirty wound discharges.
An exact recompense (according to their crimes).
For that they used not to look for any account.
But they (impudently) treated Our signs as false.
And all things have We preserved on record.
So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds);
For no increase shall We grant you;
Except in Chastisement.'

Oh Allah please tell to your all chosen-men or Prophets that their majoirty followers don't understand your revelations either intentionally or unintentionally and consciously or unconsciously and for fear or for reward, or in the name of progress, they are destroying all of your creation along with all of us. Ameen.


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Re: [IndianVoice] Re: Comments to editor about Shabana Azmi

Sir,
Slaves have no right. Muslims have opted for servility of Allah. Shabana may note!

Koran and Bible are compilation of commands of Allah and Jehovah. Both have to establish their kingdom in the globe through tyrant rulers. Some are telling that this war is for oil. Some are telling that USA is policing the world. But I say, this war is to eradicate Islam and establish kingdom of Jesus for his second coming to rule upon earth. I feel pity for the Muslims who are the slaves of Muhammad and SATANS as per Bible. These economic and religious slave Muslims are going to hell in graves since the advent of Islam. They would remain there till the Day of Judgment. Do they know who their tormentors are? The sheep and the religious and economic slaves of Jesus, who incidentally are their own cousins, are their tormentors. Do they know why? Because of their lust for booty and sex! So long as they believe in criminal Allah, they cannot survive. The reasons for their defeats are manifold. Muslims are less in population and inferior in war technology. Moreover people of their own faith are assisting their enemies. They must switch their faith into Vedic Panth. They have no choice.

With the compilation of the dreaded predator Indian Constitution, by the Britons' Congress party citizens of India have lost their right of life and liberty of faith vides Article 29(1) and right upon their properties vides Article 39(c) since November 26, 1949. No worship place and culture can survive. [ (Bible Deut. 12:1-3) and (Koran, Bani Israel, 17:81)]. The property right, provided to the citizens vides Article 31 of the Indian Constitution, which could not be snatched even by Britons and constitution committee was snatched through the first amendment of the Indian Constitution, by the dreaded parliament in collusion with corrupt extortionist judiciary of that Democracy, whose proceedings start with the extortion of Rs. five towards 'Bhent'. (Shankari Prasad Singh Deo v UOI, AIR 1951 SC 458: 1052 SCR 89;) (Hiralal J. Kania CJ and 4 other JJs. Date decided 5-10-1951). The chastity, honour and dignity of no woman is safe. (Bible, Isaiah 13:15 and 16) (Koran 4:24; 23:6; 33:50 and 70:30). No court can sit into judgment against Bible and Koran. (AIR 1985 CALCUTTA HIGH COURT, 104).

Even election is not for the rescue of citizens, because no voter can change either Article 29(1) or 39(c) or claim restoration of Article 31 of the Indian Constitution. Thus, one votes to decide as to who would plunder the subjects, whether Atal or Mulayam or Rahul or Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi or Mayavati? Citizens vote to agree as to under whose regimen one's properties would be usurped, one's women would be raped and one would be slain!

That is what the Christians and Muslims did so far. The rights to enslave and conquer alien lands, slay the native inhabitants, rape their women, burn, and desecrate aliens' worship places have constitutional support! I feel pity for the human race. Would the humanity survive?

Note! Aryavrt is fighting war against immoral usurper and lethal cultures. Our Bharat had several warriors, social reformers, saints and even kings. None of them fought against the root cause of human miseries viz. Christianity, Islam, Socialism, and Democracy. These cultures are invented to rob and enslave one and all. These cultures must go else human race won't survive.

Can any body dare to support our human cause? If not, how can one survive?




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On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 8:07 AM, <Yashwini1@aol.com> wrote:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Indian_democracy_unfair_to_Muslims/articleshow/3371893.cms

Indian democracy unfair to Muslims: Shabana Azmi

17 Aug 2008, 0037 hrs IST,TNN

NEW DELHI: Although Muslims are safer in this country than in other parts of the world because they have a stake and space in Indian democracy, Indian democracy is unfair to Muslims, says Shabana Azmi, actor and former MP.

In an interview to a private TV channel, Azmi said, "I think there is not enough understanding of the fact that in a democracy how you treat the security of the minority must be a very important part for the success of a democracy. You can't only make token gestures and actually let them be in the state that they are as the Rajinder Sachar Committee report shows. So what happened is token gestures are made but real issues are never addressed."

Shabana Azmi said Indian politics has been unfair to Muslims and despite Indian secularism Muslims are discriminated against.

She said she couldn't buy a house in Mumbai because she was a Muslim. "I wanted to buy a flat in Bombay and it wasn't given to me because I was a Muslim and I read the same about Saif (Ali Khan). Now, I mean, if Javed Akhtar and Shabana Azmi cannot get a flat in Bombay because they are Muslims, then what are we talking about?"

Questioned about the Kashmir violence having a wider communal ramification elsewhere in the country at present, she said, "That's why I am so distressed over what is happening in Kashmir. For heaven's sake it should be brought to a stop and it should have been brought to a stop right when they started that nonsense."

But she agreed that it was the responsibility of the Muslim leadership to change the image of their community. "I don't think that the Muslim leadership has bothered to clear the air about what Islam actually is."

Comments to the editor

meghal patel, london, says: if she feels that indan democracy is unfare towards muslims then she can go to pakistan
[17 Aug, 2008 0136hrs IST]

Aditya, London, says: Even educated and strong muslim are talking like this, then there is no hope for them and in particular India. Indian should learn from U.K., which has significant proportion of Muslim.
[17 Aug, 2008 0152hrs IST]

A. Raj, Delhi, says: Just because a realtor or a land/flat owner refused to sell her a house she should not blame the Indian democracy being unfair towards Indian muslims. There must be something wrong with her, otherwise how is it that so many muslims are owning houses in every posh localities in Mumbai and other metros. Her remark is childish, immature and I won't hesitate to describe it as a crime against our nation. She should be made to apologise for her irresponsible statements even after enjoying all the goodies the country had offered her. She enjoyed being a member of parliament courtesy some selfish shortsighted politicians. Shame on her. Once upon a time I used to like her as an actor, now I lost all regards for her.
[17 Aug, 2008 0151hrs IST]

RN, Delhi, says: I would like to bring a fact to the notice of Madam Shabana ji, that the word "Actress" is a feminine of the word "Actor" as "Woman" is to "Man". By claiming herself to be an 'actor' instead of an 'actress' she is denying herself to be a 'Woman'.
[17 Aug, 2008 0151hrs IST]

Prasad Dudhgaonkar, Chennai, says: Utterly rubbish statements. Unexpected from somebody like Shabana Azmi. Some of the statements are provocative. Statement about present violence in Kashmir is vague and the statement about Mumbai is a blatant lie. Only sensible statement is the last one. Shabana, you have let us and our affection and our respect for you down. But remember, this very democracy will give you enough time to correct your current stance. Your expression of thoughts itself is a testimony of the fair treatment everybody gets in democratic India.
[17 Aug, 2008 0150hrs IST]

DR BUSHAN BHAN, UK, says: There you are, it had to happen from hourses mouth. Muslims not safe here. Yes, I am a Kashmiri pandit born and brought in Srinagar. Where was she when we were ethenically cleanesed. Bravo. two cheers for the madam.
[17 Aug, 2008 0150hrs IST]

Salim Ibrahim , Dubai, says: Mrs Akhtar why only you are facing problem in buying house in Mumbai. I (Muslim) had purchased a flat just a month ago. Ppl like you are spoiling the name of community for you own selfish need. ( Now u must be contesting election from some seat). For God sake plz don't drag the community. I'm very happy to be in India and would like to die as an Indian. This is the place which gave the recognition. In fact same applicable for you also. Had you been the other side of the fence no body would be knowing you either
[17 Aug, 2008 0150hrs IST]

Hindu Muslim, America, says: What the heck she means by "unfair" -in what sense? I doubt about the statement that she cant buy a house just coz she is a muslim. How can Shahrukh, Amir and Samlan buy all the property they want to in Mumbai and around India. If they can do it why cant she do it? Such statements are irresponsible and will increase communal tension, will add to it and never decrease the gap we have beween hindu and muslims. Her statement will have simple good muslims also thinking about if they are treated differently and most times people might feel she is correct, thats the way human thinking works. Look at what happened in Srinagar on Aug 15th. Are those not muslims? Who do it all the time to this country? You get what you do as a community be it Hindu or muslim.
[17 Aug, 2008 0149hrs IST]

Neo, India, says: You yourself dont know who you are. A muslim living in India or an Indian muslim ? And remember violence never leads to anything, hatred will only cultivate more hatred. Its all in your hands now, what kind of world you wish to live in.
[17 Aug, 2008 0146hrs IST]

RN, Delhi, says: I am sorry to say that for the past 61 years of Indian independence, each and every polititian has spent all the time wooing Muslims. Had this time be spent for the country, we would have been better off. I am saying so because it is a fact that muslims are better off here than even in countries where they are majority citizens and still people like you crib about your state.
[17 Aug, 2008 0144hrs IST]

Johnny, India, says: I am a minority in India being a Christian and I truly do respect and enjoy the democracy the Indian Goverment has bestowed on us. Which Islamic countries allow you such freedom???? You tell me..... Shame on educated people like you talking this. Shabana please relax and keep your opinion for yourself. JAIHIND
[17 Aug, 2008 0144hrs IST]

Yogesh, Germany, says: Just because of not owing the flat in Mumbai one cant question the state of muslims in India. We Indians dont need to explain the sacrifices made by the leaders.I can rather say its the question of ego rather than of any community. After going in to politics human beings have tendency to make a strong statement. As Shabana Azmi might be eying some position in parliament she is making such baseless statement.
[17 Aug, 2008 0159hrs IST]

Ash, Leeds, says: Shabana Azmi. There are no gestures in any democracy. There is only one thing that is rule of law which applies to any Ram, Rahim, Jasvinder or Joseph. Every person is born with head, ears, body and brain to do and achieve whatever he can with it. A state has no stake in what minorities do with their way of life and where it leads an individual to either be a terrorist or a missile man.
[17 Aug, 2008 0159hrs IST]

Sheila N, Andheri(W), Mumbai, says: Shabana: You come out of your hole only when there is a scratch on the Muslims. However, when Hindu's are dying you seem to enjoy the plush environs of your drawing room. Today is no different and you are no different from an islamic zealots, we find dime a dozen.
[17 Aug, 2008 0159hrs IST]

desi babu, USA, says: What is she talking about??? We are talking about democarcy of a country which has seen Muslim President\Vice President\Speaker\CM etc....which other islamic country has made Hindu President? ---- Is there any Islamic country who has given this post to any hindu or sikh or christan? We are talking about a country whose current President is Women and PM is Sikh.- Is there any Islamic country who has given this post to any hindu or sikh or christan? We are talking about a country who loves all Muslim stars - Saif, SRK, AAmir, Fardeen, Salman etc... We are talking about a country whose whole neclear Power statergy was in hand of muslim - Former Presidenet - Mr Kalam We are talking about a country who loves their cricket stars - Irfan, Azhar, Yosuf, Zaheer Kaif.. countless name...How many Hindus are selected in Pak team? Only one ... Daneesh Kaneera We are talking about a country who has given a shelter to a muslim women who was outcast by muslim men - "Taslima Nasrin" We are talking about a democracy whose Air Chief was Muslim - I.H. Latif (78 to 81) -- Is there any Islamic country who has given this post to any hindu or sikh or christan? We are talking about a country whose Major Gen is Muslim - Amin Naik.. Is there any Islamic country who has given this post to any hindu or sikh or christan? I cannot believe that she cannot purchase house in mumbai, may be there could be some other reasons which she is not willing to explain or hide. All other muslim actors - like SRK Aamir Fardeen Salman etc etc lives in Mumbai..so how r they living? Are they renting some appartment or bunglow? Hard to believe..
[17 Aug, 2008 0158hrs IST]

Raj, mumbai, says: how about Shahrukh khan m dilip kumar and thousand other has flat , banglow in mumbai , how about elected MPs are muslim
[17 Aug, 2008 0158hrs IST]

V, A, says: Please stop this. Its muslim leaders job first to clear the air and what is shabana doing? How many Hindus can buy house in Muslim socienty in Mumbai, It research is done she will be shocked. Why does all muslim leader have kept mum on amarnath land row (You cant even accept land being give for temp arrangements when yatra is on.)
[17 Aug, 2008 0157hrs IST]

G. Din, India, says: Wonder what Shabana has to say about the plight of Kashmiri Pundits? They lost what they already had, and were chased out of their homeland by Muslims. She couldn't buy a flat in Mumbai; they do not ever hope to return to their home and hearth. Come back, Shabana, tell us how you feel after they chase you out of India, if ever.
[17 Aug, 2008 0156hrs IST]

Amol, UK, says: Its rubbish...if minorities are not given priority then Mr Kalam would not be the President of India. Salman, Shahrukh and saif would not be so famous as they are today. So change your thinking.
[17 Aug, 2008 0154hrs IST]

pathfinder, USA (Indian Citizen), says: It seems Shabana has no idea what she is saying.. how many secular countries have muslim majority AND true democracy.. or how many muslim countries have democracy... If Indian democracy is not fair to Muslims then it seems muslims and democracy don't go together
[17 Aug, 2008 0154hrs IST]

Indian, Mumbai, says: why is Shabana not getting a flat is a question? But regarding muslims not getting a flat is because in mumbai people buy flats in a similar cultured locality. Hindus stay together. Muslims stays together. Other religions stay together. Mingling was possible before but since the riots in mumbai everything changed. People buying a flat in mumbai must definetely know this. The situation in going worse day by day. The only solution is total forgiveness.
[17 Aug, 2008 0152hrs IST]

Concerned Indian citizen, India, says: She has convinently foregotten that the media spotlight, support and appreciation that she has received from the Indian people. And is trying to bring a petty issue and maybe a personal reason of not getting a flat as a problem with the entire country. In one stroke she has insulated the entire nation and all the people who supported and respected her.
[17 Aug, 2008 0144hrs IST]

Psharma, California, USA, says: Shabana Azmi is talking nonsense. Even the recently developed areas of Bombay have lots of muslim flat owners and new masjids. Has she ever compained about the plights Kashmiri Padits? Has she protested about the Amarnath land issue?
[17 Aug, 2008 0143hrs IST]

Viraf Mehta, Mumbai, says: Hearing such a statement from a person who has achieved so much fame in India in spite of being a Muslim, is to say the least, a betrayal.
[17 Aug, 2008 0143hrs IST]

Harshad, Mumbai, says: I think its is unfair of a person who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that India provides, and then questions the manner in which it is provided. If Shabana Azmi feels, that the Indian democracy unfair to Muslims then where has she been all these years, sleep in comfortably in her bed and making these irresponsible statements..If she feels, Indian democracy unfair to Muslims, what has she done to change it? Answer is simple ZERO, NADA, NOTHING, ZILCH... and besides no one is stopping her from leaving the country and settling in some cozy country like our dear neighbours Pakistan or the Gulf Countries for ever.. She is just a typical person, who has passed her days of prime even before the current generation had started drinking milk and wants some cheap publicity to re-live the old days..
[17 Aug, 2008 0143hrs IST]

Anthony, Charlotte, says: Shabana Azmi if just for being selfish & secure in INDIA u want to live in INDIA than u all are selfish. Go to ur muslim countries if you don,t respect country before ur religion.
[17 Aug, 2008 0142hrs IST]

Pranab K Debnath, Kolkata, says: We the Kolkatans invite Ms. Azmi to come and live with us in Kolkata. We, people from different religions, regions and social status live here in harmony and peace. After all, Mumbai is not the whole of India and what happens in Mumbai does not necessarily decide whether we are democratic or not.
[17 Aug, 2008 0141hrs IST]

Gourav Jain, bhubaneswar, says: really didnt hoped this frm someone like sabanaji's stature. this show all muslims see through the glass of islam.......if she didnt got a flat in mumbai then what has her being muslim have to do. How can She say Indian democracy is unfair to muslims Infact Indian democracy has allowed to have their own law and they are free to follow their religios believe in their own way. If she is saying about the backwardness of muslim community then who is to blame Indian democracy or Indian politicians or Muslims themselves. If muslims dont want to send their childrens to schools to get modern teaching instead they send them to madarsas to train them in principles of quran then who is to blame.sending their children to madarsa will not train them to compete in this era not it will train them in any field by which thy can ern their livelihood. sabanaji should actually go to poor muslims and she should try to make them understand that modern teaching is not againt islam instead of pointing fingers towards Indian democracy or Indian Politicians. Only Muslim community has to Introspect where they have gone wrong. And they are also not the minority community in India , they are the 2nd largest community. Their are still smaller community in India viz Christianity, Jainism,pharsis. In India their is no special provisions for any of them but still they are the most advanced communities.How come, because they have taken part in the development of the country and have not diffrenciated themself from others. Muslims should come out of their inferiority complex and should actually take part in every thing from education to politics to entreperneurial ventures and in all the way they can contribute to their nation they should. Only then they will develop. And if they will think that someone will come and give them every thing then it will never heppen because In this world One has to fight for one's own development.
[17 Aug, 2008 0141hrs IST]

nitesh, london, says: here u go............u give them everything they want but still these poeple wont stop complaining.......
[17 Aug, 2008 0140hrs IST]

rohit kumar, london,? says: If it is unfair to Muslims in India then why you do not go where it is fair to Muslims. Is the democracy is fair for Hindus in any Muslim country? India is the only country where Muslims get the best treatment as compared to other religions. Is there any country in the world that provides Huz subsidy to muslims. when a poor muslimn like abdul kalam can become a famous scientist and then president, why can not other muslims progress in their lives? Instead of listening to mullas and their stupid leaders,if they focus on getting good education for their kids atleast their coming generations will progress. Where were you when the Kashmiri muslims were protesting about the land transfer to the Shri Amarnath Ji. Where were you when innocent people were being killed in Jammu regions of the country. You in yourself are biased. You will not oppose the Kashmiri muslims with black flag on the independence day of our country and carrying the flag of Pakistan. For your kind information none of the Hindus in Jammu protest was against the country it was against the protest of the government policy where in Kashmir it is anti-Indian. They will eat, drink, live in India but sing for Pakistan. We can not tolerate such anti-nationals in our soil. You in yourself are pseudo-secular. Unfortunately, in this country whosoever abuse Hindu religion he is known as the progressive. Shame on the dual nature being followed by you pseudo-seculars.
[17 Aug, 2008 0136hrs IST]

sanjay, mumbai, says: Shabana Ajmi should stop blaming others. When u have problem at home u do not blame neighbors. The development of India is a development of different communities in India. The different caste in Hindu communities has theirs own program for community development, like schools, collages, scholarships, marriage burro, est. u look at different schools and collages in India u will find they all developed by people and not by government. Government gives only running cost of teachers, the capital cost and other sundry expenses has to be done by school. I do not see this work in Muslim community.
[17 Aug, 2008 0138hrs IST]

sunras, ca, usa, says: Mumbai is unfair to UP, and Bihar people too. What do you read out of it Ms Aazami? Indian democracy is unfair to every powerless & moneyless Indian. And it is because of MPs like you who enjoy most security and luxary and ordinary Indians gets abuse, boots and bullets. Unfairness has nothing to do with the religion, it is region and money related.
[17 Aug, 2008 0136hrs IST]

P.S.

I think Shabana is right to the extent that Muslims are safer in India than in any other Islamic nation. But
when she points out discrimination, she forgets how these other Islamic nations are treating their minorities.
India's Hindu majority chose a Muslim President 3 times since Independence. Where in an Islamic nation do we have a Hindu person at high post, forget about being President or Prime Minister. If Hindus were discriminating,
India's?Bollywood won't be dominated by Shahrukh Khan, Salman Khan, Saif Khan and other Khans.

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Re: [IndianVoice] Fw: CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES IN INDIA ARE LOSING THEIR PATIENCE

Enact Conversion offence attracting capital punishment.


Sir,

Commands Bible,

Deuteronomy Chapter 13
False prophets must be slain, and idolatrous cities destroyed.


13:6. If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou lovest as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers,
13:7. Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other,
13:8. Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him,
13:9. But thou shalt presently put him to death. Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people.
13:10. With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage:
13:11. That all Israel hearing may fear, and may do no more any thing like this.

Commands Koran,

Koran 4:89 "They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah's Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them."

There is death penalty in Christianity and Islam both (Bible, Deut. 13:6-11) (Koran 4:89). The Christians and Muslims must be replied in their own dogmas. The very commands must be applicable against those Christians and Muslims both, who convert Aryans.
Therefore, conversion must be offence in Bharat, whether forcible or with consent. Those switching their faiths are enemies of their own.

Indian Constitution has surreptitiously provided to Christians and Muslims unfettered fundamental right to conserve their very culture of conversions which are crimes with death penalty in their own faiths. As such the Indian Constitution is predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? Its Article 29(1) motivates aids, abets & harbours its Muslim & Christian mercenaries to eradicate Vedic culture through murder and mayhem.

Moreover, no court can sit in to judgment against Koran & Bible (AIR 1985 CALCUTTA HIGH COURT, 104):-

Christianity is fraud upon human race to enslave or slay one, (Bible, Luke 19:27), convert a man into sheep, eat flesh & drink blood of the son of the man (Bible, John 6:53) and snatch wisdom of one. (Genesis 2:17)
Jesus stipulates that he alone can be king of the universe. Thus Christianity has been invented to steal the possessions of human race, rule upon world & enslave one.
Man is born free. Any religion that enslaves one & snatches the belongings of one cannot be permitted to survive.
In contrast the last partially survived Vedic culture gives one freedom of worship of any god of one's choice, Gita 7:21 and grants one right to property, Manusmriti 8:308.
One, who converts to Christianity, may note that one loses manhood no sooner one accept Jesus one's saviour. The father of Jesus named Yahwe/Jehovah is scared of wisdom in man. (Bible, Genesis 2:17). This is because Yahwe is Satan. A man with wisdom would understand that these acts of murder, plunder & rape are crimes & sins both and would not succumb as such the first condition of Judaism is that one must not have wisdom and must be ready to slay & rob non Jews & rape their women. Yahwe is brain child of Moses. Moses invented Yahwe/Jehovah to enslave the humanity & steel the possessions of the humanity. In lieu of accepting servility of Moses, the followers of Yahwe/Jehovah have been granted three incentives by Moses to conquer the world for the prosperity & propagation of his faith Judaism viz. (1) His followers would ravish women of their choice in front of the eyes of the men of victim women; (2) would usurp the properties of victim & (3) slay the conquered men and demolish their worship places. Moses died and left his dogmas behind towards legacy for Jews. Jews became victims of their own dogmas invented by Moses and a new prophet Jesus was invented to rule upon the world of sheep. The quality of sheep is that it follows without applying mind. If first sheep would fall, all would fall in well. Ultimately last prophet Muhammad was born. He was illiterate. Satan Allah could not create a better messenger.
Thus, Christianity corrupts her followers. Sir Edmund Burke put it this way: "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in this world is for a few good men to do nothing."
How prophets snatched freedom of faith?
The notorious frauds named prophets have invented a new way of making the whole humanity their slaves irrespective of faith. These prophets have converted even their own followers, into their slaves for they have made their brain children gods unapproachable. Those who accept the faith of prophets, becomes the slaves of prophets as the prophets have become brokers of Jehovah and Allah! Prophets alone can meet their gods. Thus the followers of the prophets are slaves of their prophets. In lieu of providing incentives of booty and sex, the prophets get killed those who did not accept their faiths. Thus, the whole world came under the control of the prophets. However, these monopolies of prophets have put the human race at the brink of annihilation like dinosaurs.
This is because if raping women of alien faith is free from blame (Koran 23:6) for Muslims, then how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded to ravish the women of non-Christians before the eyes of the men of the victim women (Bible, Isaiah 13:16)? If those worshipping other Gods save Allah be killed is justified, (Koran 2:191) how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded by Jesus to slay those who do not accept Jesus their king? (Bible, Luke 19:27) If snatching the belongings of other person is offence, why the democrats & P.O.s of judiciary, who snatched citizens' fundamental right to property, (Article 31 - now stands omitted since 20-06-1979) are not dacoits? If property belongs to society, why such society is not usurper? Where is the moral in that society that is owner of the belongings of the haves? Why should we tolerate that Indian Constitution that grants unfettered fundamental right to minorities to slay & rob the people of alien faiths & rape their women? [Article 29(1)]. Governments are duty bound to protect the properties of their citizens. Where is the moral in Article 39(c) of the Indian Constitution that snatches properties of the citizens?
Do Christians not feel ashamed that they worship a criminal god, who has snatched their wisdom & manhood?
Indian Constitution is predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? Its Article 29(1) motivates aids, abets & harbours its Muslim & Christian mercenaries to eradicate Vedic culture through murder and mayhem. If we wish to survive, we have no choice than eradicating Democracy, Islam & Christianity. They have dogmas capable of corrupting men to such an extent that they believe plunder, murder, rape of women & conversion sure path to paradise. Human race must note that ignorance of this deception is not tolerance. Acceptance is not compassion. Appeasement will not lead to peace any more than accommodating the suicide bombers, who have ruined world harmony. Over 1.3 billion people are slaves of Islam and over two billion people are wisdom
less (Bible, Genesis 2:17) sheep slaves (Bible, Luke 19:27) of Jesus. The word Islam means submission. Allah & his Koran and Jehovah & his Bible Command Muslims & Christians obey prophet, cleric, and king. While Muslims in Islamic nations live with no freedoms of thought, speech, press, or religion, the status of Christians is of sheep without wisdom! Unemployment, poverty, and despair run rampant in Islamic countries. Every aspect of a Muslim's life is controlled by Islamic despots, Islamic law, Islamic scripture, Islamic education, and Islamic culture. Women are treated like animals. Allah's Koran gives Muslims the liberty to beat their wives & condones rape of any captive women (Koran 23:6). While every Muslim is indoctrinated with the same message of religious intolerance, racial hatred, and violence in Islam, Christianity is after establishing kingdom of bastard & ghost Jesus. Bible, Luke 19:27. They are being exploited by their dictators and politicians. They hear from their media, from their teachers, and clerics and follow them at the cost of annihilation of human race. A collusion of influences, including lust for booty & sex has annihilated truth and shut out wisdom.
President & Governors hired to ensure eradication of Vedic culture
In Democracy the President & Governors have to take oath to protect and defend the Indian Constitution and laws. The Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution stipulates that the both would help conserve the cultures of Muslims & Christians. They have been armed with Sections 196 & 197 of the CrPC to shield Christians and Muslims as well as the public servants. We, Aryans, are non-believing people. Commander-in-Chief of army & President Kalam, an agent of Islam viz. Tadka culture, have been commanded by Allah to slay us, rape our women & convert us to Islam & our Bharat in to Dar-Ul-Islam. He has support of cow & man-eater thief Antonia Maino, another agent of Putanaa culture & Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution. So long as the Indian Constitution, Koran & Bible survives, human race cannot survive. Wait! You are left without any forum to even right to complain. Right of private defence provided vide Sections 102 & 105 of the Indian Penal Code is being denied by the President Kalam & the State Governors, who are armed with Sections 196 & 197 of the Criminal Procedure Code. Judiciary has held Koran & Bible religious books. No court can sit in to judgment against these books. (Chandmal Chopra v State of West Bengal AIR 1986 CALCUTTA 104; 1986 Cr.L.J. 182). Armed with the section 196 of Criminal Procedure Code that restrains citizens from filing FIR against Azan & Namaz u/s 153 & 295 of the Indian Penal Code, President & Governors are deliberately protecting assassins, robbers and rapists to
eradicate Human race. Police cannot arrest Muslim Imam who shouts Azaan and thus insults Ishwar and Vedic culture. No judge can take cognizance against Azaan, Koran & Bible under the very section 196. No Police can be prosecuted under the section 197.
Humanity is victim of Allah, Jesus the only son of Jehovah & Democracy. Either one does not worship Allah alone, (This is a secular excuse) (Namaz & Koran 21:98) or does not accept Jesus one's ruler (This is another secular excuse) (Bible, Luke 19:27), as such Christians & Muslims are religiously & constitutionally right in murdering their common enemy Aryans because Aryans do not want Jesus to be their king & waged war since 1857 against British rule & they do not worship Allah alone. Nay! Christians & Muslims have been provided unfettered fundamental right to conserve their very cultures vide Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution.
If those worshipping other gods save Allah were killed, (Koran, The Prophets 21:98) why Muslims who worship criminal Allah be not killed? If those worshipping other gods than jealous Jehovah be killed, (Bible Exodus/ Chapter 20 / The Ten Commandments/ Verses 3 & 5) why those worshipping Jehovah and his alone son Jesus be not killed? These slaughters have advantage for humanity. These would provide right to property Manusmriti 8:308 & freedom of faith to human race and save honour & dignity of women. (Bible, Isaiah 13:15 & 16) (Koran 4:24; 23:6; 33:50 & 70:30)
I feel pity for the Hindu officers, who have no shame that they are serving notorious criminals and are ever ready to commit suicide for their sustenance. I suggest them not to fall prey to democracy. They must resign from their posts if they have least moral. They may join Aryavrt and serve the humanity. Note! Aryavrt is fighting war against immoral usurper & lethal cultures. Our Bharat had several warriors, social reformers, saints and even kings. None of them fought against the root cause of human miseries viz. Christianity, Islam, Socialism, and Democracy. These cultures are invented to rob and enslave one and all. These cultures must go else human race won't survive.
Help Aryavrt eradicate Islam and Christianity else get ready for eradication of Vedic culture and elimination of Bharat from world map.


Duty of judiciary, President of India & Governors


As long as Muslims & Christians slay Aryans, nicknamed as Hindus, usurp Aryans properties, kidnap Aryans women & rape them, shout Azaan on loud speakers, demolish Aryans' worship places, assassinate Soldiers, demand Kashmir & Nagaland, Muslims & Christians get peace prizes. In lieu of abusing you, your faith, your Ishwar & your culture & inciting communal hatred and ill will, while judges cannot even take cognizance of the offence committed by Muslim Imams, u/s 153 & 295 IPC, for want of sanction under section 196 CrPC, the Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) towards salaries to imams of mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj subsidies, in violation of Article 27 of the Indian Constitution. But no such help is available to Brahmin priests & pilgrims. Look! Not only the Brahmins, but all other castes & creeds are suffering in silence today, seeing the minorities abusing the majority under Government aid & abetment. Section 196 of the CrPC is being used by Governors as arm to protect Muslims & Christians to liquidate Vedic culture & eliminate Aryans.

Governments protect Muslims' & Christians' crimes committed under sections 153 & 295 IPC. No court can take cognizance for the crimes committed by Muslims & Christians, no police can register FIR against Muslims & Christians & no one can complain without sanction u/s 196 of CrPC. No sooner, their Koran, Bible & the predator Indian Constitution is quoted, the Governments get horrified. Sanction u/s 196 is immediately granted. Quoting Bible & Koran & the danger these books have posed upon humanity & conspiracy of Governments to eradicate Vedic culture is crime, while shouting Azaan is no crime.

Christians are worse than vultures. While vultures eat dead corpses, Christians eat flesh of living son of the man! (Bible John 6:53). Any one who has seen vultures might have knowledge that perching of a single vulture upon a green tree is more than enough to annihilate the tree. One Columbus reached America and annihilated the entire 100 million Red Indians and their Maya culture. One Muhammad eradicated all the three his host tribes of Medina viz. Banu Qainuka, Banu Nazir and Banu Quraiza. One Max Muller annihilated Aryans' Veds and one Macaulay annihilated Aryans Gurukul and Sanskrit language.

Are you aware that Humanity invented governments to protect the lands, ladies, lives, liberties and labours of the subjects? For the very purposes, every government of the day has deputed judiciary and police. Every government punishes the guilty. Notorious criminal prophets invented religions and dogmas which allow them to subjugate even their own followers. This is because Allah alone can be worshipped, Mohammad is broker of Allah (Namaz & Koran 2:191 & 21:98) or Jealous Jehovah alone can be worshipped or religion is opium. Thus, these dogmas subjugate one and usurp the belongings of the haves ('KORAN', Chapter 8 (The Spoils of War) Verse 1 & 41) and rape alien women of their choice (Bible, Isaiah 13:15&16) (See Koran, 4:24; 23:6 and; 33:50 & 70:30) and remain scot-free. No sooner, one accepts Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Socialism, the criminal activities of murder, plunder and rape of women ceased to be considered crimes instead these crimes turn into the source of sustenance and heaven after death for these criminal democrats, Communists, Muslims, and Christians. However, in contrast there is Vedic Sanskriti. It grants freedom of worship of god of one's choice. (Gita 7:21). Supports one's right to property. (Manusmriti 8:308).Muslims do not hide their goal. In fact, Union of India wishes to eradicate us. Below are the proofs:-"Islam must rule the world and until Islam does rule the world we will continue to sacrifice our lives, "Al-Badr spokesman Mustaq Aksari, - CNN September 19, 2001 headlines today!"If the things I'm doing is considered a crime, then let history be a witness that I am a criminal. Hostility toward America is a religious duty and we hope to be rewarded by God." Osama Bin Laden.The definition of Muslim given by Dr Rafiq Zakaria, an authority on Islam:"A Muslim is one who declares publicly: 'There is no God but God and Muhammad is His Prophet.' He must also accept that Muhammad is the last of God's prophets on this earth..... A Muslim must also accept the Quran as the word of God, immutable and unalterable; it contains guidelines which a Muslim must follow." (Rafiq Zakaria, "The Struggle within Islam" Penguin Books, 1988, pp.302).And these criminals are seculars! These criminals, who vivisected Bharat, still are seculars!! These criminals are demanding Kashmir, still these criminals are seculars!!! These criminals are shouting Azan & reciting Namaz that Allah alone can be worshipped still, these criminal Muslims are seculars!!!!Old or new Pratibha has looted banks, cheated poor depositors of her own cooperative bank, looted Sugar mill assets, she saved her murderer brother & saving her husband. Should we accept such criminal as President?One, who votes her is enemy of human race.
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Bharat Gajjar <BGajjar@comcast.net> wrote:

Bharat J. Gajjar
bgajjar@comcast.net

Hockessin, DE

August 27, 2008

Dear Editor,

Please print the following message in your publication.

Sincerely,

Bharat J. Gajjar

CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES IN INDIA ARE LOSING THEIR PATIENCE

On Saturday night, five people were gunned down and killed by Maoist Extremist and Christian Missionaries in the State of Orissa, of the Kandhamal District. They were Swami Laxmananda Sarsaswati and four of his disciples as they were working against conversion of Hindus into Christianity.

Ever since Pope Paul put a cross on the ground and declared "This century all the Hindus of India will be converted into Christianity," the west has been pouring money into the project of conversion and I've heard that 10,000 missionaries are actively working in India for this purpose. It looks like the missionaries are getting impatient as they are having difficulty converting the stubborn Hindus not accepting their philosophy and now resorting to violence. I recommend that Christianity remain a religion of peace. They should not alter their principals. I know they are getting frustrated.

Hindus are not buying that this is an evil world and that they are all sinners. Hindus are also not buying that as they are not baptized they will go into Hell and burn forever. Also, Hindus are not buying that if you are baptized you are given a promise that you will go to Heaven and live with the Lord forever, regardless of what you do. They are not buying that because you are baptized all your sins will be forgiven. Hindus believe in logic and Christians believe in faith. Christians have to come up with some better philosophy of life than what they are preaching now. Of course they can convert by giving money or lying but that doesn't work to well in the long run.

Hindus are very kind and loving people. They allow these missionaries to work and spread the word, but these missionaries are not appreciating the loving and kind people of India. They have no guts to go and preach in Pakistan or any other Muslim countries. But I understand that some Christians are complaining that some Hindus are not treating them properly, which is not the truth.

Bharat J. Gajjar

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Sunday, August 24, 2008

Re: [aryasamajonline] Re: petition Fwd: Jivdaya

Dear all,
Know your Status

No law can stop super PM Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi from eradication of Vedic culture, genocide of non-Christians and conversion of Bharat into Christianity. (Bible, Luke 19:27). Ram temple cannot be built. Ram Setu cannot be saved. (Bible Deut. 12:1-3).

Any woman would either be raped by Christian (Bible, Isaiah 13:16) or by Muslim (Koran 23:6) under divine commands and unfettered fundamental right of the Indian Constitution. [Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution].

The salient features of a kingdom.

There was a king named, Ashwapati of Kaikeya nation. He told,

"N me Steno janpade n kadarpo n madyapo.

"Nanahitagnirnavidvan n swery swarini kuth?"

Chhandogyopnishad, pancham prapathak, ekadash khand 5th Sloka.

There is no thief, no miser, no alcoholic and no unlearned person in my nation. There is no such person who eats without Havan. There is no EROTIC man in my nation as such there cannot be EROTIC woman.

And what about your dreaded democracy?

The concept of socialism itself is thief (hereinafter written 'Chor'.)

THE Super PRIME MINISTER OF HAPLESS INDIA Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi is thief (Chorni) of Aamer fort treasury.

President Pratibha is financial racketeer.

The Rail Minister Laloo is Chaaraa Chor.

The ex CM of UP Mulaayam Yadav is Chor.

The current CM of UP Maayaavati is Chorni of Taj Corridor. Exercising the right the black law under section 197 of the Criminal Procedure Code the Governor is protecting her.

And the list is endless…

Alcohol is divine drink of Christians (Bible, Matthew 26:26-28) and Muslims (Koran, 47:15)  both.

Every one pollutes atmosphere and no one performs Havan that purify atmosphere.

We, including Christians and Muslims, have been compelled to become insult proof. We have no honour, no dignity, no right to survive, no right of worship and no nation since 712 AD. [Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution]  read with (Koran 8:39; 9:5; 33:61 etc) and (Bible, Luke 19:27). Our women would either be raped by Christians or by Muslims. [Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution] read with (Bible, Isaiah 13:16) and (Koran 23:6). Our properties would either be looted by Allah (Koran, 8:1, 69 and 41) or by Christians (Bible Deut. 20:14) or by Socialists and Democrats [Article 39(c) of the Indian Constitution and omitted Article 31].

Human races, including Christians and Muslims, are moving corpses and living in paradise of fools. I feel guilty when I see that the sacrifices of Ram Prasad Bismil, Bhagat Singh, Subhash, Chandra Shekhar Azad could not materialize. When the financial racketeer Pratibha and cow and man-eater thief of Aamer Fort treasury Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi had to rule upon us, what was bad with Victoria or Elizabeth? What for our ancestors shed their bloods since 1857? Liberty, guaranteed in US and Indian Constitution, is being denied openly. That exposes the relevance of democracy.

While humanity is fighting relentless war for liberty, public servants, Jews, Christians, Muslims, and most human races have voluntarily relinquished their liberty, wisdom and manhood in lieu of booty and sex. (Koran, 8:1, 69 and 41), (Bible, Isaiah 13:16) and (Bible, Genesis 2:17). They have no shame that they are fighting to retain their servilities of Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, rulers, clerics, dead Socialists, Communists and Democrats. Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, rulers, clerics, dead Socialists, Communists and Democrats have snatched the very instinct for liberty from their followers. Look! Still Jews, Christians and Muslims do not feel sorry that they are getting cheated, corrupted and humiliated by their so called merciful Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, clerics and rulers. They are happily defending their servilities in lieu of booty and sex.

The vast preponderance of ignorant Jews, Christians and Muslims do not know their prophet or their religion. They lead a life of ignorance, despair, tyranny, and mind-numbing rituals. They are kept in the dark, purposely deceived, for the benefit of clerics and kings. There is no incentive for Muslims and Christians to learn. Even if exposed to the truth, they would not reject Islam (Koran 4:89) or Jesus (Bible, Deut. 13:6-11) for fear of their lives. The Koran and Bible themselves confirm this startling reality. Allah commanded Muslims "not to question the Koran," for those who did, he said, "discarded their religion." (Koran 5:101 and 102).

To protect from exploitation humanity invented their Sardars (Folk leaders). During this era, man was owner of his land, produce and had liberty of worship. When kings came, they snatched lands from the citizens. Liberty of worship and right to property was still there. When Prophets came, they snatched lands, ladies, labours, liberties and lives of aliens. Nay! The prophets snatched liberty of worship from one and all.

There is scramble for booty around the whole world. Vedic Morals are stumbling-blocks. Moses, the founder of immorality on the pretext of religion, was the first person who moralized Booty, rape of women (Bible Isaiah 13:15-16) and subjugation of aliens through his religion Judaism and his domestic servant Jehovah on the pretext of worshipping alien gods. (Bible Exodus/ Chapter 20 / The Ten Commandments/ Verses 3 and 5). Jesus, a pirate, improved the booty further. He moralized eating flesh of the son of man and drinking his blood (Bible John 6:53) and slaughter of one who does not accept Jesus his ruler. (Bible, Luke, 19:27). Muhammad, an other pirate,  made Allah the owner of booty, (Koran 8:01) killer of non-Muslims, (Koran 8:17) rapist of women (Koran 4:24; 23:6; 33:50 and 70:30) and owner of the world. (Koran 2:255). Still Jesus and Muhammad provided limited right of booty to their followers. Property is power. Remaining in the hands of citizens, property prevents their subjugation and servitude. Therefore, Carl Marx invested property into the immoral, corrupt and usurper society. Democracy is blend of all above to eradicate Vedic culture and enslave one.

Now compare Ishwar with these Gods! While Jehovah has two brokers named Moses and Jesus, Allah has one alone named Muhammad? Any one can meet Ishwar direct after performing Yoga or Kundalini Jagran. Ishwar has no broker. (Gita 7:21). No one can meet Jehovah and Allah. So why should one worship these impotent and criminal gods named Jehovah and Allah who make one slave, instigate one for murder, plunder, incest and rape of women of alien faiths and forbid one from worshipping a god of one's choice, in lieu of Ishwar who gives one unfettered right to worship any god of one's choice? Look! The notorious democracy calls this status of servility, liberty of faith and secularism! Therefore, the suggestion to these followers of criminal prophets is to relinquish their prophets and come into the fold of great and omnipresent Vedic culture. Do not believe in and do not accept religious servility for sex, booty and slave. Come to my fold I would provide you liberty to worship a God of your own choice, says Ishwar in Gita, See Chapter 7 Shloka 21.

Through the very tailor compiled Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution by Jesus' Congress, the criminal Muslims and Christians have been provided unfettered fundamental right to conserve their culture i.e. in fact right to liquidate or enslave every non-Muslim and non-Christian of the globe.

The notorious frauds, named prophets, have invented a new way of making the whole humanity their slaves irrespective of faith. These prophets have converted even their own followers, into their slaves for they have made their fabricated gods unapproachable. Those, who accept the faith of prophets, become the slaves of prophets as the prophets have become brokers of Jehovah and Allah! Prophets alone can meet their gods. Thus the followers of the prophets are slaves of their prophets. By providing incentives of booty and sex, the prophets get killed those who do not accept their faiths. Thus the whole world comes under the control of the prophets. The prophets died and left behind their legacies to clerics and rulers. Why should one believe? Why not one search Ishwar either by Yog or Kundalini Jagran? However, these monopolies of prophets have put the human race at the brink of annihilation like dinosaurs.

This is because if raping women of alien faith is free from blame (Koran 23:6) for Muslims, then how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded to ravish the women of non-Christians before the eyes of the men of the victim women (Bible, Isaiah 13:16)? If those worshipping other Gods save Allah be killed is justified, (Koran 2:191) how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded by Jesus to slay those who do not accept Jesus their king? (Bible, Luke 19:27) If snatching the belongings of other person is offence, why the democrats and P.O.s of judiciary, who snatched citizens' fundamental right to property, (Article 31 - now stands omitted since 20-06-1979) are not dacoits? If property belongs to society, why such society is not usurper? Where is the moral in that society that is owner of the belongings of the haves? Why should we tolerate that Indian Constitution that grants unfettered fundamental right to minorities to slay and rob the people of alien faiths and rape their women? [Article 29(1)]. Governments are duty bound to protect the properties of their citizens. Where is the moral in Article 39(c) of the Indian Constitution that snatches properties of the citizens?

Humanity invented governments to protect the lands, ladies, lives, liberties and labours of the subjects? For the very purposes, every government of the day has deputed judiciary and police. Every government punishes the guilty. Notorious criminal prophets invented religions and dogmas which allow them to subjugate even their own followers. This is because Allah alone can be worshipped, Muhammad is broker of Allah (Namaaz and Koran 2:191 and 21:98) or Jealous Jehovah alone can be worshipped or religion is opium. Thus, these dogmas subjugate one and usurp the belongings of the haves ('KORAN', Chapter 8 (The Spoils of War) Verse 1 and 41) and rape alien women of their choice (Bible, Isaiah 13:15and16) (See Koran, 4:24; 23:6 and; 33:50 and 70:30) and remain scot-free.

No sooner, one accepts Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Socialism, the criminal activities of murder, plunder, incest and rape of women ceased to be considered crimes instead these crimes turn into the source of sustenance and heaven after death for these criminal democrats, Communists, Muslims, and Christians.

However, in contrast, there is Vedic Sanskriti. It grants liberty of worship of god of one's choice. (Gita 7:21). Supports one's right to property. (Manusmriti 8:308).

Thus the basic cause, i.e. protection of lands, lives, ladies, liberties, and labours of the subjects, for whom the governments were invented and implemented, gets defeated. The snatching of one's belongings, which is a crime, turns into the religious duty of every follower of these criminal religions and first part of the duties of democratic and socialist governments. The followers of these religions, socialists, and democrats find no immorality in snatching one's property, one's women, and killing an innocent.

Gods of Prophets are criminal of a class. Although one has three forums against even dreaded criminal like Doud Ibrahim viz. Society, police and judiciary, one has no forum to complain against gods!

Tail piece…

One has right of private defence under section 102 and 105 of the Indian Penal Code which is still today in full force. Christians and Muslims are here to slay and rob humanity on the pretext of freedom of faith. One has legal right to slay these Christians and Muslims. However, no individual can exercise the rights. Aryavrt Government is here to protect you.

Support Aryavrt Government.


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Yours faithfully,
Ayodhya Prasad Tripathi, (Press Secretary)
Aryavrt Government
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM, madan gupta <madangupta305@yahoo.com> wrote:

I understand that only two, three of our prime ministers were vegetarian. Most of the Presidents were non vegetarian. At president the BIG FIVE controlling the Indian Govt. are meat eaters. Her Shakh pe Ullu bethen hein anjame gulistan kaya yo ga.
madan gupta
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Harish Chandra <harish_divs@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Harish Chandra <harish_divs@yahoo.com>
Subject: petition Fwd: Jivdaya
To: harish_divs@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 1:33 AM

pls read. if you wish, then pls sign the petition. thanks. = Harish Chandra

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: SpiritMag <spiritmag5@gmail.com>
To: harish_divs@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:56:19 AM
Subject: Fwd: Jivdaya

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Manish Ashar <manishashar888@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Subject: Jivdaya

Please do your bit guys.........!! I have already signed up for this petition....

http://www.jivdaya.net/devnar_hell.php

Hey frds plz watch this

The goverment is making the DEVNAR slaughter house ultra morden due to which daily 14000 animals will be killed as on 2day 4000 are killed. The goverment is allowin to export the meat by which they can fill their pockets by revenue So plz oppose the export of meat from DEVNAR slaughter house

http://www.petitiononline.com/prtst12d/petition.html
 

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