Saturday, December 4, 2010

Re: [aryasamajonline] IAS or parliament or PM or president -is not provided in definiton of democracy

My take:

Extracted from Ali Sina's autobiography,

"Tree of knowledge"

"(From) The treacherous passage to enlightenment

"AFTER bitter experience with the Koran I found myself traveling on a torturous road riddled with torments. I was kicked out of the blissful garden of ignorance, where all my questions were answered.  There I did not have to think.  All I had to do was believe. Now, the gates to that garden were closed to me forever.  I had committed the unthinkable sin of thinking.  I had eaten from the forbidden tree of knowledge, and my eyes had been opened.  (Koran 2:35) and (Bible, Genesis 2:17). I could see the fallacy of it all and my own nakedness.  I knew I would not be let into that paradise of oblivion again.  Once you start thinking, you don't belong there anymore.  I had only one way to go and that was forward.

"For the first time, the Internet has changed the balance of power.  Now the brutal force of the guns, prisons and death squads are helpless and the pen is almighty.  For the first time Muslims cannot stop the truth by killing its messenger.  Now a great number of them are coming in contact with the truth and they (Muslims) feel helpless.  They (Muslims) want to silence this voice, but they cannot.  They want to kill the messenger, but they cannot.  They try to ban the sites exposing their cherished beliefs, sometimes they succeed momentarily, but most of the time they don't.  I created a site to educate Muslims about true Islam.  I hosted it at  The Islamists forced Tripod to shut it down and they cowardly complied to appease them Muslims.  I got my domain and the site was back again in a couple of weeks.  So the old way of killing the apostates, burning their books and silencing them by terror does not work.  They cannot stop people from reading.  Even though my site is banned in Saudi Arabia, Emirates and many other Islamic countries, a great number of Muslims who never knew the truth about Islam are being exposed to the truth for the first time, and are shocked.

"Doubt is the greatest gift we can give to each other.  It is the gift of enlightenment.  Doubt will set us free, will advance knowledge, and will unravel the mysteries of this universe.  Faith will keep us ignorant. 

"One of hurdles we have to overcome is the hurdle of tradition and false values imposed on us by thousands of years of religious upbringing.  The world still values faith and considers doubt as the sign of weakness.  People talk of men of faith with respect and disdain men of little faith.  We are screwed up in our values.  The word faith means belief without evidence; gullibility also means belief without evidence.  Therefore there is no glory in faithfulness.  Faithfulness means gullibility, credulity, susceptibility and easy to fleece.  How can one be proud of such qualities? 

"Doubt on the other hand means the reverse of the above.  It means being capable of thinking independently, of questioning, and of being a skeptic.  We owe our science and our modern civilization to men and women who doubted, not to those who believed.  Those who doubted were the pioneers; they were the leaders of thought.  They were philosophers, inventors, and discoverers.  Those who believed lived and died as followers, made little or no contribution to the advancement of science and human understanding."

Public servants are deputed to insure that Vedic Panthies must get a warm feeling and a broad smile on their faces, when they are told that Allah plots against them and hates them. Every mention about the kafir and Satan is negative. "Kafir" and "Satan" is usually translated as unbeliever, but this is wrong. The word "unbeliever" is neutral. The Koran and Bible defines the kafir and Satan by its usage and says that the kafir and Satan must be killed, (Koran 2:191) and (Bible, Luke 19:27) roasted, (Koran 4:56) hated, (Koran, 9:28) punished, (Koran 33:61) raped, (Koran 23:6) (Bible, Isaiah 13:16), mocked, (Koran, 4:76) enslaved, (Koran 9:29) plotted against,  Bible commands that Satan must be slain.

The perpetrators of Islamic terror and Christianity's Mission are inflamed with violent and racist doctrines. The doctrines are ' Fight them until persecution is no more and the Religion of Allah reigns supreme.' (Koran 8:39) and "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them bring them here and kill them in front of me." Bible, Luke, Chapter 19 Verse 27. Both have agenda, and you are ignorant of it. We seek your support to retaliate. If you fail to support humanity would finish like dinosaurs.

With the blessings of Jagatguru Swami Shri Amritanand Devtirth of JandK, who is in jail now in Malegaon blast conspiracy, I am Press Secretary of Aryavrt Government. I need persons, who are determined to drive Christianity and Islam out of the face of the world. Come on and join Vedic Panth. Don't say I respect Christianity and Islam.

As long as you would tolerate Christianity and Islam and their protector the predator and pirate Indian Constitution, you would be driven like sheep of Jesus and like Kafir of Allah. You would remain deprived of your freedom of faith (Gita 7:21) and Right to Property (Manusmriti 8:308). Rise and declare, "We would not tolerate criminal cultures of Christianity and Islam."

The Mahabharata in Sanskrit

Book 6
Chapter 41

36 arthasya puruṣo dāso dāsas tv artho na kasya cit
     iti satyaṃ mahārāja baddho 'smy arthena kauravaiḥ

Meaning presented by our Mahaamaatya Acharya Madan Ji Maharaj,

arthasya=arth ka,  pusho= vyakti,  daso= das hai...dasas= das...tu= tou,,,artho= arth..n= nahi...kashychit= kisi ka...iti = yah...satyam= satya hai...maharaj= raja yudhisthar...badho= bandha hua...asmi=hu...arthen= artha ke dwara...kaurveh=kauravo ke dwara..

meaning=The man is slave of is not slave of is true o king (Yudhishthir)...i am bound by money of kaurav's... aacharya madan.

Scramble for Booty

There is scramble for booty and slaves around the whole world. Vedic Morals are stumbling-blocks. Moses, the founder of immorality on the pretext of religion, was the first person who moralized Booty, (Bible Deut. 20:14),  rape of women (Bible Isaiah 13:15-16) and subjugation of humanity through his religion Judaism and his domestic servant Jehovah on the pretext of ban on worshipping alien gods. (Bible Exodus/ Chapter 20 / The Ten Commandments/ Verses 3 and 5). Jesus, a pirate, improved the booty further. He moralized eating flesh of the son of man and drinking his blood (Bible, John 6:53) and slaughter of one who does not accept Jesus his ruler. (Bible, Luke, 19:27). Muhammad, an other pirate,  made Allah the owner of booty, (Koran 8:01, 41 and 69) killer of non-Muslims, (Koran 8:17) rapist of women (Koran 4:24; 23:6; 33:50 and 70:30) and owner of the world. (Koran 2:255). Still Jesus and Muhammad provided limited right of booty to their followers. Property is power. Remaining in the hands of citizens, property prevents their subjugation and servitude. Therefore, Carl Marx invested property into the immoral, corrupt and usurper society. Democracy is blend of all above to eradicate Vedic culture and enslave one.

Now compare Ishwar with these Gods! While Jehovah has two brokers named Moses and Jesus, Allah has one alone named Muhammad? Any one can meet Ishwar direct after performing Yoga or Kundalini Jagran. Ishwar has no broker. (Gita 7:21). No one can meet Jehovah and Allah. So why should one worship these impotent and criminal gods named Jehovah and Allah who make one slave, instigate one for murder, plunder, incest and rape of women of alien faiths and forbid one from worshipping a god of one's choice, in lieu of Ishwar who gives one unfettered right to worship any god of one's choice? Look! The notorious democracy calls this status of servility, liberty of faith and secularism! Therefore, the suggestion to these followers of criminal prophets is to relinquish their prophets and come into the fold of great and omnipresent Vedic culture. Do not believe in and do not accept religious servility for sex, booty and slave. Come to my fold I would provide you liberty to worship a God of your own choice, says Ishwar in Gita, See Chapter 7 Shloka 21.

Through the very tailor compiled Article 29(1) of the Indian Constitution by Jesus' Congress, the criminal Muslims and Christians have been provided unfettered fundamental right to conserve their culture i.e. in fact right to liquidate or enslave every non-Muslim and non-Christian of the globe.

Victims of faiths

The notorious frauds, named prophets, have fabricated  a new way of making the whole humanity their slaves irrespective of faith. These prophets have converted even their own followers, into their slaves for they have made their fabricated gods unapproachable. Those, who accept the faith of prophets, become the slaves of prophets as the prophets have become brokers of Jehovah and Allah! Prophets alone can meet their gods. Thus the followers of the prophets become slaves of their prophets. By providing incentives of booty and sex, the prophets got killed those who did not accept their faiths. Thus the whole world came  under the control of the prophets. The prophets died and left behind their legacies to clerics and rulers. Why should one believe? Why not one search Ishwar either by Yog or Kundalini Jagran? However, these monopolies of prophets have put the human race at the brink of annihilation like dinosaurs.

Human race is on the brink of eradication like dinosaurs due to two prevailing criminal cultures of Christianity and Islam.

This is because if raping women of alien faith is free from blame (Koran 23:6) for Muslims, then how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded to ravish the women of non-Christians before the eyes of the men of the victim women (Bible, Isaiah 13:16)?

If those worshipping other Gods save Allah be killed is justified, (Koran 2:191) how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded by Jesus to slay those who do not accept Jesus their king? (Bible, Luke 19:27) If snatching the belongings of other person is offence, why the democrats and P.O.s of judiciary, who snatched citizens' fundamental right to property, (Article 31 - now stands omitted since 20-06-1979) are not dacoits? If property belongs to society, why such society is not usurper? Where is the moral in that society that is owner of the belongings of the haves?

Why should we tolerate that Indian Constitution that grants unfettered fundamental right to minorities to slay and rob the people of alien faiths and rape their women? [Article 29(1)]. Governments are duty bound to protect the properties of their citizens. Where is the moral in Article 39(c) of the Indian Constitution that snatches properties of the citizens?

Christianity and Islam are cults. It is time to wake up and fight against these cults, as they are threat to humankind and there can be no co-existence with Muslims and Christians. As long as Muslims and Christians believe in Muhammad and Jesus, they are a threat to others and even to themselves. Secularism and Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Judaism's, Christianity's & Islam's demand for every civilization to submit. {Azaan, (Koran, 2:191-194 and 8:39) and (Bible, Exodus/ Chapter 20 / The Ten Commandments/ Verses 3 and 5 and Luke 19:27)}. The culture of tolerance collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the failure. Muslims and Christians must leave their Christianity and Islam, discard their cultures of hate and join the rest of humankind as fellow humans, or non-Muslims and non-Christians must separate themselves from them, ban Christianity and Islam, end the immigration of Muslims and Christians and slay those, who plot against humanity and refuse to integrate. Christianity and Islam are incompatible with humanity and morality. These are warring creeds {(Koran 2:216 and 8:65) and (Bible, Matt 10:34 and Luke 12:49)} that use democracy to destroy humanity and to establish itself as a worldwide dictatorship. The only way to avert the clash between this barbarity and civilization and a world disaster, is to expose the fallacies of Christianity and Islam and demystify them. Muslims and Christians must be weaned from Christianity and Islam for humanity to live in peace. Aryavrt Government is here to do it. Support us.

I have a schedule caste friend named Pradeep Gautam. Gautam is his Gotra. My maternal family, I mean my Nanihal, belongs to Gautam Mishra of Saryupari clan of Brahmins. How Brahmins allowed Pradeep remain Gautam? Earlier than 2010 AD, there was no Christian and earlier than 1431 AD there was no Muslim.

 They were converted under persecution in spite of the commands of their scripture to slay the proselyte Christians and Muslims. (Bible, Deut. 13:6-11) and (Koran 4:89). Do these Christians and Muslims know their ancestors or their native culture? Would these Jews, Christians and Muslims, whose ancestors were persecuted by criminal faiths not take revenge from Judaism, Christianity and Islam? Are these Christians and Muslims not abusing their ancestors? How those, who cannot respect their own ancestors, would respect humanity? Can they bring fraternity?

Secular Allah of Hamid Ansari, the Vice President of India, boasts for being a terrorist {(Koran 8:12) and killer (Koran 8:17)} and permits incest (Koran 33:37-38). Secular Allah claims that he deceives humanity, (Koran 9:3) assassinates humanity, (Koran 9:5) slays humanity, (Koran 8:17) dupes humanity, ambushes humanity, (Koran 9:3) robs humanity, (Koran 8:1) condones rape of women, (Koran 23:6) enslaves women, Children, and even his own worshippers, commits murder, (Koran 8:17) genocide, (Koran 8:39) sadistic tortures, terrorism, warmongering, (Koran 2:216; 8:65 and 67) etc. on the pretext that one does not worship Allah alone.

Secular Allah's good Muslim becomes Jihadist i.e. crusader of Islam, a man who leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and life, fighting in Allah's Cause. (Koran, 8:72). That cause is destroying all faiths save Islam. (Koran 8:39). Allah says they (Muslims) will be rewarded with stolen booty (Koran, 8:1, 69 and 41) and women to rape (Koran, 23:6) of the victim/s, if they survive or with a heavenly BROTHEL (Koran, 37:47-49 and 76:19-21) if they die. Bad Muslims, on the other hand, are peaceful. Allah calls them "hypocrites", because they are unwilling to fight. (Koran, 3:167). He even says that peaceful Muslims are "the vilest of creatures" and that hell's hottest fires await them. [Koran 16:70] If you are a peace-loving Muslim, may note, your Allah hates you. Muslims have no shame that they submit to dreaded incest monger, (Koran 33:37-38) assassin and robber Allah. (Koran, 8:1 and 17). Good Muslims are those, who relinquished liberty in lieu of booty and sex. Look! This is secularism. Democrats say, "This is peaceful coexistence and religious tolerance!"

In India, one has right of private defence provided by Section 102 of the Indian Penal Code. Any thing done in the exercise of Private Defense is no crime as per Section 96 of the Indian Penal Code. Therefore, every citizen has right to slay every Imaam.

However, no individual can exercise this right. Depose faith in Aryavrt Government. Aryavrt Government alone can do it.

I suggest Christians and Muslims to not to fall prey to Christianity and Islam. Revive your liberty and moral values. Join Vedic Panth.

Don't shed crocodile tears. Rise. Eradicate Christianity and Islam. 


Yours faithfully,
Ayodhya Prasad Tripathi, (Press Secretary)
Aryavrt Government
77 Khera Khurd, Delhi - 110 082
Phone: (+91) 9868324025/9838577815
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Christianity and Islam are criminal religions. They are not minorities. Instead we Vedic Panthies are minority among minorities. Protect us to salvage human races.
If you feel that this message be telecasted, donate us. Rush your contribution in the account of Manav Raksha Sangh Account No. 016001020168 ICICI Bank Ltd. Else keep ready for your doom. Remember! Whoever you are, you won't be able to save your properties, women, motherland, Vedic culture and even your infants. Choice is yours, whether you stick to dreaded usurper Democracy and get eradicated or survive with your rights upon your property, freedom of faith and life with dignity?
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, ramans shriman <> wrote:

IAS, PCS, Parliament , MLAs,  MPs,  minsters,  PM,  President etc. are all illegally set up . why ??????????
coz definition of democarcy or definition of  dirty democracy dosen't provide for them.  
definition of democracy is
"a governance of the people by the people for the people" . it dosent  hv even an indication up to a million Km that the above illegal things should exists. it is another  big story how the above definition is a fraud.
the definition of dirty democracy is
"a governance of the people (to pay TAXES ) by few people and for few people"
people know it themsleves that this definition is a full size global fraud.  
this definition also hasn't a clue about above mentioned illegal things.
so who brought these illegal things n why????? is a killer's proposition.
only.. and only... and only THE HOLY VEDIC RAJDHARM is a true form of governance   and that should be established , sooner the better

To: Dr. Leo Rebello <>
Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 9:17:44 AM
Subject: Is the IAS Bureaucracy destined to be guillotined in the near future? Replace it with Indian Public Welfare Service -- Dr. Leo Rebello comments

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Prem Sabhlok <>
I am not an Ex I.A.S but retired in 1990  from Indian Defence Accounts Service (Defence Accounts Department).
I am not settled in Australia. I am settled at Gurgaon (Haryana). 

My son and daughter-in-law are in Australia. Both were former I.A.S Officers/Secy and Commissiners and resigned, finding IAS officers can do no public welfare. My son has formed Freedom Team of India (FTI) of which many EX. IAS/IFS/IPS/Defence Officers (retd) and others are members. Aim is to attain Freedom as we have only Independence without Freedom. Very powerful state USSR was Independent without Freedom, we all know what happened.

Independence with Freedom/Swaraj/bottom up democracy is vastly different.
There is a vast difference between Indian Administrative Service of colonial model in the perverted form of Indian democarcy i.e. Oligarchy and Public Welfare Services functioning in genuine secular democracies. There is no Indian colonial model Administrative Service in USA, Australia, Canada etc.
IAS officers are not capable of doing any Public Welfare as their training is to serve their masters i.e. political bosses who may be largely corrupt but weilding political Power. Earlier I.C.S was meant to serve the British masters. That was atleast Civil Service now it is largely corrupt anti people self serving non accountable Administrative Service. 
They have spoiled our local governments and made cities after cities an urban nightmare.

Prem Sabhlok

Subject: Is the IAS Bureaucracy destined to be guillotined in the near future? Replace it with Indian Public Welfare Service -- Dr. Leo Rebello comments 
Dear Mr. Prem Sabhlok, Ex IAS, who is now settled in Australia
Read your email below.  First Finance Minister CD Deshmukh's comment re: ICS  remains the best.
He had said: "They are neither Indians, nor civil, nor in service". Only the label has changed from
ICS to IAS. 
Those in the IAS, IPS, IFS, etc. are 95% corrupt or incompetent. By changing the label further
from IAS to IPWS - Indian Public Welfare Service, as you suggest, nothing is going to change. 
We have to change everything from top to bottom. 
As I have said time and again, we can at least defeat a corrupt politician during the elections. 
Like corrupt congress is now wiped out in Bihar. But one corrupt IAS/IPS or Judge rules over us
for 30 to 35 years and barring a few small fries, show me an instance that they have been removed. 
For example, IAS officers like Uttam Khobragade, whose name has surfaced once again in the
Adarsh Society scam and who has several cases of corruption, incompetency, impropriety,
stupidity against him should be sacked forthwith under article 311. But he continues brazenly
by using his caste card and will be allowed to retire (he is due for retirement soon) with full pension
by the corrupt coterie.
We indeed need hire and fire policy.  More importantly we need an Executive President rather
than a Harvard Educated chauffeur mentality man driving the car of development to doomsday
by listening to the foreign amma doing backseat driving. We also need immediately a
National Judicial Commission to hire, train and fire judges who too have become so
corrupt and ruthless. The Collegium is a con. But people are afraid to talk against these legal
Best Wishes
Dr. Leo Rebello
PS : Those in the CC are receiving this message as another reminder to act
on Uttam Khobragade. My application for his ouster under article 311 of
the Constitution of India is on record.
 From: Prem Sabhlok

There is an urgent need for an all India debate on the subject of continuation of Colonial Model of IAS Bureaucracy.
Views of some former Retired/Ex IAS officers (B.S.Raghavan, Shankar Sharan, Dr S Sanjeev and many others) are given below.
A. Views of B.S Raghvan IAS (Retd Secy Govt of India )
Appointments based on one time competitive examination with no periodical weeding out of the incompetent and corrupt induces smugness and militates against accountability.

2. Healthy debate on some alternate model is necessary.

3. Originally IAS was seen as replica of the ICS- incorruptible, independent, public spirited and result oriented. Unfortunately the system did not work as originally contemplated. All this has been eroded in the last 60 years.

4. While the Armed Forces, Foreign Service and many other Central Services are indispensable and necessary for nation building, but without IAS country would not come to stand still.

5. There are instances when non IAS persons when posted into top echelons usually earmarked for IAS, distinguished themselves by their higher caliber and competence.

B. Views of Dr. S. Sanjeev PhD- former Secretary and Commissioner

If IAS as a Service does not want to be ousted, it must establish as its role mission the delivery of world-class standard…. Otherwise IAS is destined to be guillotined in the not too distant future.

2. Today IAS is a smashed up auto-riksha. They are busy in filling TA/DA forms, chasing after their pay slips, ensuring their pay scales remain higher than other services, chasing car/house loans and other bits and pieces of Personnel ministry, local treasury pursuing with Accountant General office lest they have trouble on retirement in getting right amount of Pension.

3. Most of the IAS officers confirm their own poor ability of leadership by passing the buck to politicians. There are umpteen areas where political leaders do not play any role in their work and functioning….Dr. S. Sanjeev has mentioned a large number of such areas in his well known book Breaking Free of Nehru. Let's Unleash India available on Website <>

4. Whole world public services are evolving and reforming. In IAS it is total stagnation in ideas
We apply principle of competition and merit in assembling cricket team but do not apply in IAS bureaucracy.

5. Till date in the last six decades IAS officers have not made any distinction between Independence , Freedom and Swaraj (governance to citizens). This lack of distinction has led to ineffective and weak local governments. Cities after cities are becoming urban nightmare under their non accountable and non transparent administration.
Etc etc…
Views of others
Politics the noblest Endeavour of Gandhi, Nehru, Patel under the strong steel frame of ICS officers has been made the dirty mafia Politics by the rusted steel frame of IAS bureaucracy's selfish, non transparent and non accountable advice by ensuring that needle of blame always moves towards political leaders.

The famous saying In Bihar mentioned by an IAS former Secy to Govt of India- Bihar cadre- "IAS officers are"Garam, Naram and Be-Sharam"After training in the IAS Training Academy they aregaram-highly enthusiastic, soon under political and senior officers pressures they becomeNaram-insensitive and players in shuttlecock game in regard to taking decisions and later they becomeBe-Sharam-freely resort to corrupt practices and encourage young IAS officers who are inclined to corrupt practices. All honest IAS officers are sidelined as OSD (officers on Special duties).

Ground Realities
Many Newspapers mentioned during recent Parliamentary Elections that in Mumbai many urban voters' names were eliminated in the Voters lists. A study was made for Gurgaon Parliamentary Constituency. For a population of over 20 lakhs, the voters names in the lists were about 8.5 lakhs i.e. about 40% of the population against all India 71% of the population.Again out of 8.5 lakhs urban voters were 2.36 lakhs and over 6 lakhs were rural voters.Thus Gurgaon a Millennium Urban City became a Rural Village as per Voters Lists. Clearly about 6 lakhs urban voters names (about one lakh having voters ID cards) were removed by/under orders of the District Electoral officer i.e. D.C Gurgaon (an IAS officer)
CEC of India on residents' complaint removed the D.C and asked the new DC to prepare an up to date correct Voters list. New DC also could not do so. He was also removed on complaint from residents/political parties.

In future Murder of Democracy is likely to happen if vested interests over take the democratic rights of the citizens. IAS officers need to become transparent, accountable, public spirited and result oriented to save the country being rated as a failed state.
The worst activity of IAS bureaucracy was they have virtually destroyed Local Governance system established by British Govt. Under their rule we had some of the world best cities Bangalore, Delhi, Lahore, Lyallpur, Hyderabad and many others.. IAS bureaucracy by destroying local governments, have made Indian cities as urban nightmare.
They devise all arguments so that Amendments numbers 73 and 74 to the Constitution of India are not implemented. They pass on this blame on political leaders and continue avoiding effective and strong local governments in India.

Under IAS bureaucracy maladministration, India is now visualized as anearlyFailed State as per World Development Report 2009 based on the analysis of an International Agency on 12 indicators/parameters.........................

Prem Sabhlok
Some more views received from IAS officers (Retd)
1. Millions of confused socialist bacteria swarming in the brain of Indian leaders and IAS bureaucrats has become the cause of national cancerous disease of corruption and poverty..
2. ICS officers were never accountable to the people of India but to the British rulers. IAS officers are trying to perpetuate the same and have become non transparent and non accountable to people of India but only to their political bosses Thus feudal outdated colonial structure continues.
3. IAS officers' interest is not aligned with public interest and they feed public on false promises.
4. There is no internal competition and as such 100% reach the top level in bureaucracy. Now lately they have started grabbing Head of the Department posts of Central Services as well- it can lead rebellion within the different services.
5. We are not making IAS as whipping boy but IAS as Service. It is now neither a Service nor Administration. Need to have accountable, specialized contractual officers on hire and fire basis at the Top inALLservices.
6. Malady is far deeper than projected in terms of simple IAS bashing. British style colonial service neither civil nor service should be replaced by American style Civil Service. IAS is no longer the first/top choice of bright candidates. Revenue Services are becoming the top choice. All services should terminate at Joint Secy level or even Director Level. (Retd IAS Chief Secy Maharashtra)
7. Sardar Vallabh Bahai Patel saw IAS as Steel Frame of Bureaucracy like replica of ICS- incorruptible, independent, public spirited and result oriented.
Now after 60 years all this has been eroded and the perception is self serving, insensitive and non accountable.. (Retd IAS Secy to Government of India )
8. If IAS as service is scrapped country would not come to stand still..(Ex Dy. Army Chief)

I have received umpteen more views BUT not a single in support of continuation of IAS as Public Welfare Service. We do not need to abolish this service but to make it useful as a Public Welfare Service and not as Feudal Adminstrative Service.
The country is anxiously waiting for some remarks in favour of IAS as Public service even from retired/serving IAS officers
Dear Dr leo, Col Dewan, Mr. Prem...

(I wish Col Dewan forward this mail to Dr. Leo)


IAS or ICS... the name, or its change does not matter much.

Their also are part of our society and their ethos also can not be much different from our society's general ethos.

And our society's ethos, as every body know, is slipping day by day from bad to worseinfluenced by the wrong type of icons of the society; true to the adage 'Yedha Raja ...Thadha Praja' (mantri and other officials too'


The Raja (the political leadershipis the strongest icon in any society, be it of the modern democracy or of the old kingdoms or of autocracies of any type... Military, theocratic, etc...


We can hypocritically argue that the Bureaucracy, including IAS, is independent & permanent second pillar of a (Indian) democracy.

But we all know they (and even the Judiciary too) are not independent ...  they have made themselves subservient to the reigning political leadership. 


And that phenomenon is not unique to India … if the whole political leadership (the full/majority hierarchy in the treasury and opposition sides) does not want to allow such independence to any other organ they have in their control many levers to manipulate to coerce the non submissive ones to submission or to purge.    


Here in India, we all know that all the political parties, if they are in power, want all other institution to be their subservient. That is because almost all the leadership hierarchies are also subservient to their top boss - a caucus or a dynasty. So we have cultivated subservience, unwavering loyalty, to one or the other… as our culture...


Independence and integrity has become unacceptable characters in our society.


So you change the name of a service, punish one or tow corrupt (top/IAS like) officials … that is not going to make any change in the corruption as far as the corrupt politicians are in power….


Yes, it is true we can change politicians at least in five years … But again is not it with another politician?

We had been doing it more frequently than 5 years… Yet what is the result?

Is the quality of the political leadership improving by each election/change?

I think it is deteriorating with higher acceleration.  So there may be some thing more than what you people see … I am astonished people like you … the cream of our society… even those migrated to US do not show the courage to think out of the box…. ask more basic question…

I am not a member of the elite club with any usual standards… but …


Please try to accept...

... That there are some basic flaws in our political system… I call our political system a 'Flawed and Perverted Democracy'I am ready to explain ithe logic for my diagnosis to anybody with an open mind to accept the truth … anybody willing to shed the unnecessary and unreasonable egos... any body who can be of any help to reform our political system, to reform our society.

... That the flaws and perversions of the political system are corrupting all institutions, including the political leadership ….

... And that the degradation of the political leadership is the gravest ill of our (any) society, because of its overbearing potential to corrupt all other institution and the whole society….


(I know that these mails are not of much use because most in this mailing are more interested to uncover the truth... self-righteous... or partisan with some agendas other than reformation of India… but I  am doing indulging in this blind's through with a hope of a faint chance of hitting the real target)



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