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Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Re: Interesting congress definitions

Why Constitutions of the world defend Christianity & Islam?

Rulers need slaves. Slaves have no civil rights. Christians and Muslims are darling to rulers for their self inspired lust for servilities of Jehovah, Jesus and Allah in lieu of booty and sex. Islam means submission, while humanity is fighting for liberty, Muslims have no shame that they are becoming human bombs for servility of Allah.

Muslim historians proudly tell us as to how many women were sold in Baghdad market and how many women were raped by Muhammad, after robbing and killing their near and dear. However, no sooner Serbs raped Muslim women and returned pregnant Muslims' women to Muslims and when Israel killed civilians in Lebanon, Muslims cried for violation of human rights. Do non-Muslims have no human rights?

The ignorant Jews, Christians and Muslims do not know their prophet or their religion. They lead a life of ignorance, despair, tyranny, and mind-numbing rituals. They are kept in the dark, purposely deceived, for the benefit of clerics and kings. There is no incentive for Muslims and Christians to learn. Even if exposed to the truth, they would not reject Islam (Koran 4:89) or Jesus (Bible, Deut. 13:6-11) for fear of their lives. The Koran and Bible themselves confirm this startling reality. Allah commanded Muslims "not to question the Koran," for those who did, he said, "discarded their religion." (Koran 5:101 and 102). They may test this fact by asking for their civil rights. They would realize that doors of heaven has already been closed for them.

The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum -- know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.

We must learn the doctrine of political Christianity and Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer aliens. Christianity and Islam are self-proclaimed enemy of non Christian nations and unbelievers.

Christianity and Islam have annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation might take centuries, but once Christianity and Islam are ascendant they never fail. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct. They are after the last partially survived Vedic culture. Let Aryavrt Government salvage Vedic culture. The Indian Constitution has been compiled by the Britons' Congress Party in retaliation and to settle vendetta for opposing British rule amongst other reasons.

The dualism of Democracy, Christianity and Islam are more deceitful and offer two choices on how to treat the people of alien faiths. The people of alien faiths can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well after one becomes slave. So Democracy, Christianity and Islam can be "nice", but in no case is the person of alien faith a "brother" or a friend.

Secularism and Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Judaism's, Christianity's & Islam's demand for every civilization to submit. {Azaan, (Koran, 2:191-194 and 8:39) and (Bible, Exodus/ Chapter 20 / The Ten Commandments/ Verses 3 and 5 and Luke 19:27)}. The culture of tolerance collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the failure.

Note! Aryavrt is fighting war against immoral usurper and lethal cultures. Our Bharat had several warriors, social reformers, saints and even kings. None of them fought against the root cause of human miseries viz. Christianity, Islam, Socialism, and Democracy. They had been fighting wars against the symptoms, not the sources. These cultures are invented to rob and enslave one and all. These cultures must go else human race won't survive.

Why one god?

Victims of faiths

The notorious frauds, named prophets, have invented a new way of making the whole humanity their slaves irrespective of faith. These prophets have converted even their own followers, into their slaves for they have made their fabricated gods unapproachable. Those, who accept the faith of prophets, become the slaves of prophets as the prophets have become brokers of Jehovah and Allah! Prophets alone can meet their gods. Thus the followers of the prophets are slaves of their prophets. By providing incentives of booty and sex, the prophets got killed those who did not accept their faiths. Thus the whole world came under the control of the prophets. The prophets died and left behind their legacies to clerics and rulers. Why should one believe? Why not one search Ishwar either by Yog or Kundalini Jagran? However, these monopolies of prophets have put the human race at the brink of annihilation like dinosaurs.

This is because if raping women of alien faith is free from blame (Koran 23:6) for Muslims, then how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded to ravish the women of non-Christians before the eyes of the men of the victim women (Bible, Isaiah 13:16)? If those worshipping other Gods save Allah be killed is justified, (Koran 2:191) how can Muslims refute Christians, who have been commanded by Jesus to slay those who do not accept Jesus their king? (Bible, Luke 19:27) If snatching the belongings of other person is offence, why the democrats and P.O.s of judiciary, who snatched citizens' fundamental right to property, (Article 31 - now stands omitted since 20-06-1979) are not dacoits? If property belongs to society, why such society is not usurper? Where is the moral in that society that is owner of the belongings of the haves? Why should we tolerate that Indian Constitution that grants unfettered fundamental right to minorities to slay and rob the people of alien faiths and rape their women? [Article 29(1)]. Governments are duty bound to protect the properties of their citizens. Where is the moral in Article 39(c) of the Indian Constitution that snatches properties of the citizens?

Humanity invented governments to protect the lands, ladies, lives, liberties and labours of the subjects? For the very purposes, every government of the day has deputed judiciary and police. Every government punishes the guilty. Notorious criminal prophets invented religions and dogmas which allow them to subjugate even their own followers. This is because Allah alone can be worshipped, Muhammad is broker of Allah (Namaaz and Koran 2:191 and 21:98) or Jealous Jehovah alone can be worshipped or religion is opium. Thus, these dogmas subjugate one and usurp the belongings of the haves ('KORAN', Chapter 8 (The Spoils of War) Verse 1 and 41) and rape alien women of their choice (Bible, Isaiah 13:15and16) (See Koran, 4:24; 23:6 and; 33:50 and 70:30) and remain scot-free.

No sooner, one accepts Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Socialism, the criminal activities of murder, plunder, incest and rape of women ceased to be considered crimes instead these crimes turn into the source of sustenance and heaven after death for these criminal democrats, Communists, Muslims, and Christians.

However, in contrast, there is Vedic Sanskriti. It grants liberty of worship of god of one's choice. (Gita 7:21). Supports one's right to property. (Manusmriti 8:308). If one wishes to survive, one has no choice than relinquishing their gods Jehovah and Allah.

Thus the basic cause, i.e. protection of lands, lives, ladies, liberties, and labours of the subjects, for whom the governments were invented and implemented, gets defeated. The snatching of one's belongings, which is a crime, turns into the religious duty of every follower of these criminal religions and first part of the duties of democratic and socialist governments. The followers of these religions, socialists, and democrats find no immorality in snatching one's property, one's women, and killing an innocent.

Gods of Prophets are criminal of a class. Although one has three forums against even dreaded criminal like Doud Ibrahim viz. Society, police and judiciary, one has no forum to complain against gods!

Tail piece…

One has right of private defence under section 102 and 105 of the Indian Penal Code which is still today in full force. Christians and Muslims are here to slay and rob humanity on the pretext of freedom of faith. One has legal right to slay these Christians and Muslims. However, no individual can exercise the rights. Aryavrt Government is here to protect you.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:47 PM, savarkar vinayak <savarkar_vinayak@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Congress Party Definitions: Congress Says.........

Congress says:
Muslims getting killed in the Gujarat riots is no less than a holocaust;
But poor protesters getting shot in West Bengal under Left Govt is just a plain misunderstanding; 3,000 Sikhs getting slaughtered was only a big mistake; and 400,000 Kashmir Pandits becoming refugees and thousands dead due to Islamic terrorism in Kashmir is a only political problem.

Congress says:
Congress denying Lord Rama's existence was simply a Clerical Error. But BJP saying it hurt Hindu sentiments is communal!

Congress says:

Haj subsidies for Muslim pilgrimage worth 3000 crores funded by Hindu tax money is secular; see
But Hindus questioning how their hard earned money is used are communal;

Congress says:
Banning Da Vinci Code and Jo Bole So Nihaal was Secular
But Modi Banning Parzania in Gujarat was Communal;

Congress says:

Chinese invasion in 1962 was just an 'unfortunate betrayal';
Kargil attack during BJP Rule was Government failure;

Congress says:
Reservation in every school and college on caste lines strengthen society;
But Muslims say, same reservations in minority institutions is Communal;

Congress says:
Fake encounters under Cong-NCP in Maharashtra [Khwaja Younus] was only an instance of Police atrocity;
But Fake encounters in Gujarat [ Sohrabuddin] was Modi sponsored 'BJP' Communalism;

Congress says:
Talking about Islam and Muslim appeasement and Sachar is Secular;
But talking about Hindus and Hindu concerns is dangerous and Communal;

Congress says: BJP' freeing the terrorists (flight 814) to save Indian hostages was Shameful;
But freeing 5 militants to save the life of the daughter of a minister [Rubina Sayeed] was a Natural Political dilemma;

Congress says:
Attack on Parliament was the result of BJP ineptitude;
But Congress Not hanging Afzal Guru,the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders is due to Humanity and Political dilemma;

Congress says:
( Manmohan) Muslims have the first right on India's resources ;
But BJP questioning it is communal;

Is there any end to Congress' hypocrisy and double standards?

http://secularindia.wordpress.com/

Also see

How to become an Intellectual in India

http://secularindia.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/how-to-become-an-intellectual-in-india/

Monday, October 13, 2008

Re: Murder of Mahatma by the Church

Mr Sahu,
I feel pity for your ignorance.

When I got demolished Babri structure, media was telling that mob has no right to take law in her hand. Media is wrong. I am quoting the sections of the Indian Penal Code that show that mob can take law in her hand. Read on …

"96. Nothing is an offence which is done in the exercise of the right of private defense."
"99. ... There is no right of private defence in cases in which there is time to have recourse to the protection of the public authorities."

"102. Commencement and continuance of the right of private defence of the body.—The right of private defence of the body commences as soon as a reasonable apprehension of danger to the body arises from an attempt or threat to commit the offence though the offence may not have been committed; and it continues as long as long as Democracy, Christianity & Islam survive, humanity cannot survive. such apprehension of danger to the body continues."

"105. Commencement and continuance of the right of private defence of property.—The right of private defence of property commences when a reasonable apprehension of danger to property commences. ..."

The apex court had taken cases of Zahira Sheikh and Bilkis Yakoob suo motu. (http://www.achrweb.org/reports/india/AR05/INDIA-AR2005.pdf). The Apex court's chief Justice V.N. Khare had warned the Gujarat Govt., "We cannot remain a silent spectator to its in action in Best Bakery case." Khare had also said to Modi, "you have to protect people and punish the guilty...you quit if you can't prosecute the guilty."

The apex court failed to take the cases of Christianity & Islam suo motu, to prove her moral.

Whatever may be the advantages of Democracy, the fate of Aryans has been sealed. They must be slain. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Democracy have enslaved humanity. There is no liberty. Humanity cannot survive. The chastity and honour of no woman is safe.

Christianity, Islam, Socialism and Democracy eliminate instinct of crime from the minds of their followers. No sooner one converts to Christianity, Islam, Socialism and Democracy, one finds nothing immoral or crime in plunder, murder, rape of women, eating flesh of the son of man and cow, instead these crimes turn into source of sustenance, title of Ghazi and heaven after death. To add insult to injury they call these criminal guide books named Koran and Bible religious books.

Who are Good Muslims and Christians?

Leaders, reformers, saints, Media, Islamic and Missionary politicos and clerics are purposely deceiving humanity. The truth is not hidden, nor is it hard to find. Media is scared, clueless, and willfully ignorant at the cost of human eradication. Good Muslims and Christians would continue to wage Jihad and Mission until we stop them by eliminating their means and motivation. Means is petro dollars and Missionary funds and motivation is Koran and Bible. (Koran 8:39) and (Bible, Luke 19:27). If we do not retaliate, they would keep on killing Human races.

Look! Jehovah and Allah grants heaven in lieu of murder, plunder, rape of women and conversion. The Indian Constitution grants them right to conserve their very cultures vides Art. 29(1)? How can humanity survive?

The dreaded democracy of Bharat could not produce a single President/PM for this country and nation is constrained to import cow and man-eater super PM Antonia Maino, her refugee PM puppet Manmohan and Financial racketeer Pratibha! Both Pratibha and Antonia Maino have been commanded by Allah and Jesus to slay us. Why should Aryans tolerate such Democracy?

Has humanity no shame for being ruled by dreaded criminals supported by the Indian Constitution, Koran and Bible? Media has no right to conceal the true face of Antonia Maino and Pratibha and their dreaded guides Koran and Bible aided and abetted by the dreaded Indian Constitution and shielded by Section 196 of the Criminal Procedure Code..

Jews, Christians and Muslims are the first victims of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They loose their 'liberty', no sooner they depose faith in Jehovah, Jesus and Allah. They become hardcore corrupts and killers on the pretext of divine command. They commit crime for their Prophets, Pope, fathers, Imams, leaders and missionaries without having any inkling as to what are they doing! They invade other countries. They kidnap women, rape them and, kill innocent civilians. Muslim historians proudly tell us as to how many women were sold in Baghdad market and how many women were raped by Muhammad, after robbing and killing victims' their near and dear. (Koran 23:6). However, no sooner Serbs raped Muslim women (Bible, Isaiah 13:16) and returned pregnant Muslims women to Muslims and when Israel killed civilians in Lebanon, Muslims cried for violation of human rights.

Whoever becomes President, s/he would take oath to defend the very predator and pirate Indian Constitution, which has been compiled to conserve the dreaded cultures of the so-called minority Muslims and Christians, who are the biggest and the second biggest population of the world.

The biggest lesson to be learned by humanity is that one cannot negotiate with Islam and Christianity. Humanity's only recourse is: Doctrine of Reciprocity.

One Columbus reached America and annihilated the entire 100 million Red Indians and their culture. One Muhammad eradicated all the three his host tribes of Madina viz. Banu Qainuka, Banu Nazir and Banu Quraiza. One Max Muller annihilated Aryans' Veds and one Macaulay annihilated Aryans Gurukul system and Sanskrit language. What these millions of vulture Christians and Muslims, detained by criminal Congress Party of Jesus and imposter M.K. Gandhi, the father of Pakistan, would do with Aryans is any body's guess. UOI is in league with these vultures and is hell bent to eradicate Vedic culture.

Yours etc,
Apt

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Prem Sadani <premsadani@hotmail.com> wrote:

Murder of Mahatma by the Church
By Ashok Sahu, IPS (Retd.), Former Addl. Director General of Police

On the 23rd August, while doing pooja on Janmasthami, the most sacred day for Hindus, militant Christians entered into the Ashram premises at about 8.00 p.m. and pumped bullets from an AK-47 assault rifle on the frail body of an 84 years old Swamijee (Vedanta Keshari Swami Laxanananda Saraswati) at Jalespata Vanabashi Kanyashram in Kondhmal District of Orissa. After killing him brutally the Christian assailants have cut various parts of Swamijee's body by chisel and axe, it appears. Along with him others who tried to rescue Swamijee got killed are Sadhwi Bhakti Mata who was in over all charge of the Kalyan Ashram, Kishore Baba, Amritanand Baba and a visitor guardian of an inmate of the school. The dead body of Matajee was also defiled by cut injuries which was most brutish and nasty.

Swamijee had received a threatening letter which he could read only the previous evening on his return from routine tour for religious preaching. He had sought security from the local police against imminent danger to his life by a written prayer to the authorities including the District Magistrate on 23rd August. The media had broadcast on apprehensions to his life during morning news bulletins on the very fateful 23rd August.

Hardly one month back, at Tumudibandh, two kilometers from his Jalespata Ashram, there was armed attack by a group of Christians when he was protesting against Cow-slaughter in the area. In the violence one of his disciples Madhu Baba had sustained fatal cut injuries. Following the incident the State Government had deployed one platoon of armed CRPF personnel to guard his Ashram round the clock. Swamijee, in addition to these arrangements, had an armed security person to protect him during his tours who was mysteriously absent at the time of attack.

It may be mentioned that the personal security man Bhubaneswar Jani who was replaced by an emaciated, cowardice constable by the local S.P. only five days prior to the attack, was serving Swamijee for more than 10 months most sincerely jeopadising his own life. During armed attack by militant Christians on the 24th December 2007 at Daringbadi for which he was hospitalized along with Swamijee with fatal injuries. In that connection, though the Police has registered a case vide 83/07 u/s 147/148/353/323/324/307/426/149 IPC the culprits are still at large with impunity. Prior to this there were nine more attacks on Swamijee's life and consistently the assailants were all recently converted Christians in the area. It is evident that the Catholic Church and the Baptist Church by conversion was gradually criminalizing the local youth. Few of them were also encouraged to join the Maoist group of terrorists which was proved by the way Bamunigaon Police Station was attacked and the subsequent raids in non-descript Sikarama village during December violence there, that led to recovery of more than 20 guns in a single tiny village.
What is surprising is that similar raids were not conducted in other villages where there is pillage of fire-arms. More suspicious is the withdrawal of the CRPF from the Ashram and replacing the PSO to the Swamijee only five days prior to the murderous attack on 23rd August. Danger to the life of Swamijee was mounting every day since the abortive attempt on his life in last December.According to reliable sources, there was a secret meeting on 9th August 2008 in the Community Centre at Raikia attended by activists representing Church based NGOs like the World Vision, Jana Kalyan Samiti, NISWAS, ASHA, Sahara, Palli Shree, Jana Vikash etc. who regularly receive huge funds from abroad. It was also attended by Nakul Nayak, former M.P. from the ruling BJD, Krushna Para Seth the former Block Chairman from Tumdibandh, Alfansoe Baliyar Singh a notorious militant Christian from Raikia, advocate Manas Singh who was to bring activists from Bamunigaon and Daringbadi in a vehicle specifically provided by Archbishop C.Raphel. It was resolved in the meeting to eliminate Swamijee who was 'an insurmountable obstacle against conversion and cow-slaughter in the area'.Simultaneously, they felt that by philanthropic activities among the Kondh tribes in the District he was dissuading the vulnerable poor and illiterate tribe and Panas in the area from falling prey to the allurements and fraud by the Church authorities.

Sources reveal that on the 13th August a letter purportedly written by 'Pahadia' group of people was circulated addressed to the Swamijee that his life would not be spared, that too, within a week. Copies were supposed to be sent to the State Chief Minister, DGP, District Magistrate, District S.P. etc. besides the Swamijee and some other targets. A similar closed door meeting was reportedly held on 20th August in the Jana Kalyan Samiti at Jatani (Khurda) attended among others by Father Bijoy Nayak from Baliguda Church and Ajay Singh of Khurda, where it was decided to eliminate Swamijee, come what may. On the 23rd August night they succeeded in killing him as per their planned conspiracy.

The government had clear knowledge and the authorities had detailed information, but instead of reinforcing the security arrangements, it appears that they colluded with the killers. What has failed to convince is the glaring gap in alacrity with which the Orissa Police had rounded up 63 suspects in Graham Staines murder case within 24 hours of the alleged murder and their utter failure to arrest even a single culprit even after four days of the murder of Swamijee.People of Orissa expressed their ire against the government during the dawn to dusk bundh in the most unprecedented manner for the government attributed this murder to the Naxal Maoists within minutes of the incidents. They were reminded of the callousness of the Chief MinisterNaveen Patnaik who had made a similar statement accusing the Maoists when DIG Jasvir Singh was killed but later it was revealed by subsequent investigation that the DIG was killed by his own PSO from Orissa Police. When there was prior information on danger to life of Swamijee, so much so that, the local TV channels trumpeted the whole day urging the government to save the Swamijee from imminent attack, the government apparently colluded with the killers and in order to prove his self-claimed 'secular credentials' the Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik is over active to safeguard the Christian minorities from the onslaught by the enraged Hindus whole over the State. Now the question is, why should the government first create a situation by a series of 'omissions and commissions' later in order to prove his 'secular credentials' try to protect the endangered minorities. There can not be a greater embarrassment for the ruling alliance BJP who can not escape the moral responsibility of being a party to these omissions and commissions on the part of the coalition government.

It is a ghastly incident and a challenge to the advocates of pseudo-secularism that the majorities are discriminated against, to keep the minorities appeased. The pseudo secularists have proved more Christian than Pope in upholding Christianity in India. The unprecedented response to the bundh called by Hindu organizations in Orissa indicated the shape of things to come. No government how powerful it may be can function with out the co-operation from the people. Peoples elected representatives in Orissa have legislated for the first time in independent India, the Orissa Freedom of Religion Act, 1967 to prevent conversion by fraud, allurements, cheating, bribery and misrepresentation. It was challenged by all the Churches in the country in the Supreme Court and the Constitutional Bench of the apex court upheld its validity and said that right to propagate does not include right to convert.

Swamijee was only insisting that the Act should be strictly followed in the State. He came to Kondhmal District because there was utter poverty and illiteracy in the district with more than 70% of its population as tribals who are below the poverty line. He came there in 1967 and continued till his murder by Christians on 24th in August 2008.

Similarly, Orissa was the first to enact against cow-slaughter in 1964 as per Directive Principles in the Part-IV of the Constitution. Swamijee had made the motto of his life mission to make Orissa free of conversion as well as cow-slaughter. These two Acts legislated by Orissa Assembly reflect the sentiments of Orissa people for implementation by subsequent governments.

So long as these Acts are in the statute book, it is the constitutional responsibility of the government of the day to execute strictly. But the government has miserably failed. The government did not co-operate, rather criminally neglected in saving the life one man who preferred to lay down his life for the common cause.

The Church supposed to preach The Gospels, ironically criminalizes the youth and with foreign funding indulges in conversion by-passing the law. Hindus in Orissa are not against any particular community or religion. They do not want any other religion to disturb their faith and social harmony by taking advantage of poverty and illiteracy in their society. Irate Hindus when, as a last resort react, at times, with violence; the advocates of 'secularism' cry for protection. Is it not time enough to stop conversion and cow-slaughter as a respect for the majority living in the country as a lasting measure to ensure peace and harmony in the society?

As this brutal murder is directly linked with the series of incidents right from December 2007, until and unless the State Police detects the right culprits and bring them to book with out further loss of time, peoples already shaken trust on the government can not be restored and peace in the civil society can not come back. Should the government at the centre and the state want a permanent solution to these types of communal repercussions in future, they must concentrate in stopping illegal conversion, put a check on the church based NGOs, stop cow-slaughter strictly in Orissa and manage the forest land and tribal land problems with tribal welfare as the sole yardstick.This would also serve as a fitting tribute to the departed soul of Swamijee who has immortalized himself by laying down his life on the altar of the motherland.

Ashok Sahu, IPS (Retd.)
Former Addl. Director General of Police.
E-mail: ashok.sahu53@gmail.com

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Sunday, October 12, 2008

Re: [prohindu] "Thou Shall Not Convert"

Victims of faiths

The notorious frauds, named prophets, have invented a new way of making the whole humanity their slaves irrespective of faith. These prophets have converted even their own followers, into their slaves for they have made their fabricated gods unapproachable. Those, who accept the faith of prophets, become the slaves of prophets as the prophets have become brokers of Jehovah and Allah! Prophets alone can meet their gods. Thus the followers of the prophets are slaves of their prophets. By providing incentives of booty and sex, the prophets get killed those who do not accept their faiths. Thus the whole world comes under the control of the prophets. The prophets died and left behind their legacies to clerics and rulers. Why should one believe? Why not one search Ishwar either by Yog or Kundalini Jagran? However, these monopolies of prophets have put the human race at the brink of annihilation like dinosaurs.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM, mrapsc <mrapsc@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=30&id=11164

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/10/thou-shall-not-convert-t-r-jawahar.html

Thou shall not convert
Saturday, 04 October, 2008 , 02:19 PM
A Christian once approached the Kanchi Paramacharya and expressed his wish to embrace Hinduism. The acharya advised him to stay put in his present path; in the revered seer's world view, one does not have to switch faiths to attain God and can very well achieve the objective through one's own religion. That in a nutshell is what Hindus call secularism and tolerance. Sadly, they have no reciprocal S & T coming their way. Forget a pastor, even the Pope would find it difficult to pass up such an opportunity to add a soul to his kitty. For that is their worldview, ordained by the Book and its authors.
Clearly, the twain shall never meet. It naturally follows that those faiths that aspire to survive, with their religious places and practices intact, will necessarily have to evolve ways to protect themselves from such predators and their natural instincts. The historic track record, however is that, barring Hinduism and Buddhism, scores of faiths and civilisations have been runover by Christianity and Islam, with nary a trace today. Of course, methods vary from visibly violent jihad to virulent but invisible evangelism, but the motives and mindset shine forth like neon signs. To miss it is to have the intellect of a sheep, and incidentally that's what the 'targets' are referred to as.
But to the basic question: How do Hindus who want to remain Hindus respond? Some tips are on offer from various vested interests. Needless to add, the captains of the conversion brigade would want no response but simple surrender. Secular politicians, for instance, would prefer Hindus to have more doses of the tranquiliser called tolerance and remain sedated so that they, the politicos, that is, can build up their minority vote bank, the only bank that never fails. For much of the media and intellectual elite, primed by McCaulay, even the slightest resistance to conversions is a betrayal of their liberal character even if their conscience, if only rarely, tells them otherwise; they feign sleep without sedation. And for most of the educated middle-class of Bharat conversions do rile and revolt; but coy inhibitions rule and in any case, who has the time and mind to speak up or act? Let down by the State and ostracised by society, it is the poor Hindus w ho are most vulnerable; while many gullible ones do 'cross' over, the multitudes, though mute, have remained immune to missionary mischiefs and stuck to their traditional gods. And of course, the other extreme response is what we are witnessing now in Orissa and elsewhere; the Bajrang Dal brand that none can subscribe to. Apart from the incongruity of their acts with the law of the land, burning down churches is a futile exercise. They simply can't keep pace with the planting that's going on and also the media multiplier effect would make even one ravaged prayer hall seem like hundred, in Basha style.
Convert me if you can, challenged Gandhi. Swami Vivekananda's well thought out and well articulated arguments against conversions will sadly be deemed communal rantings in today's milieu, but their relevance is most striking. To get more contemporary, Swami Daya-nanda Saraswati treats conversions as the worst form of violence; In his view, you cannot convert someone without belittling his faith and that cuts at his core being. He also dubs conversions as a human rights violation as it interferes with an individual's right to 'continue' practising his own, natural religion. But let's not invoke such profound beings to fell a petty albeit potent mentality. There are enough arguments within the realms of elementary common sense to effectively counter, both intellectually and at ground zero, the scourge of conversions.
The biggest cover for conversions is the Right to Religious Freedom enunciated in the Constitution. But by elementary English grammar, the right is for 'me', in first person singluar; now how can an evangelist exercise my right? But their flippant claim is that right to convert 'others' is Constitutional. The misinterpretation and misuse of the Constitution is not just on that count. The Constitution categorically says that the right to religious freedom is subject to 'morality and public order'. The assumed right to convert all and sundry would fall flat on these counts too. Conversion disturbs all the 'order' that a peaceful land and a peace loving person would value: the social order, the demographic order, the political order, the family order and of course, law and order! An individual too goes completely out of order, with his self, with his near and dear, his ancestry and his own lifestyle, all in turmoil. One cannot find a more disruptive phen omenon of life and community, nay, the country itself, than conversion.
We move on to morality, the bedrock of the Bible. Now is it moral to employ questionable means like lures and inducements to bring in the crowd? Again, the preachers claim Christianity to be true religion and the only path to salvation. Can't a such 'truth' to stand alone without the aid of merchants of faith scouring and scavenging the earth for vulnerable folks in distress? Does it have to be purveyed in the market as a sin-cleaning soap to be dumped on unsuspecting soul-sellers? Hinduism too preaches but the idea is not to get converts. Again, conversion by a process of evaluation, which is perfectly fine, is very rare. The evangelists smartly claim that most conversions are voluntary. But mass conversions do happen. Now how is it that a few hundred people have a conscience upheaval at an appointed time? It is also no coincidence that only the poor, the sick and those in the lower rungs of society are ripe targets for conversion. Obviously the indu cements and indoctrinations are camouflaged well to skip the law's eye but obvious enough to catch the potential convert's! The reality is that evangelism is big business today. There's nothing even remotely secular or spiritual about it. But to cut a long story short, conversions can be deemed unconstitutional! And even if granted, the right to preach and poach cannot be superior to the target's right to protect and preserve his beliefs.
Then there is this bogey of minority rights. Does it not offend common sense to say that the minority has the right to become the majority, which in effect is what the vociferous and articulate Christian clergy is claiming through the right to convert'? Again, how can they claim to be minorities when the entire might of global Christianity, its organised international institutions, endless funds and now the European Union itself is sponsoring them? Also, the converts in India have Hindu ancestry and are very much sons of the soil. Granting that one can change one's faith, can one also convert from being a majority to a minority suddenly? Again, attacks on any place of worship have to be dealt with under law; the crime does not get any worse just because the target is a minority place of worship. But such perversions of minority rights are rampant.
Guess what's the Pope's biggest bother today? Christians converting to Islam in Europe! To hear some eternal pearls of wisdom on the ills of conversion one can just tune in to him. The hypocrisy would be apparent. For while the resourceful reverends would happily harvest neighbours' fields, it's taboo for others to graze on their own pastures. I rest my case. Amen!
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why missionaries engaged in conversion be not stoned to death?

Why missionaries engaged in conversion be not stoned to death?

Shri Madhu Chandra may suggest...

Conversion and Christianity

(Bible, Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

If u say that old testament is not applicable, read below,

Bible, Luke 24:43 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.

Would U let me know as to why missionaries of India engaged in conversion be not stoned to death?

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Yashwini1@yahoo.com <yashwini1@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Sit in protests at Jantar Mantar by Christians

Dear friends,

As the violence on Christian minorities continued, the Christians of
Delhi and NCR have resolved to have sit in protest at Jantar Mantar,
New Delhi from 26 Sep to 2 Oct.

We would request all the Christians in and around Delhi and other
civil societies to kindly join the protest.

The key demands of the protest will be upon Indian Government to
immediately curve the violence and ensure the safety of the
Christians.

The second key demand is to bring Hindutva forces - VHP, RSS and
Bajrang Dal, who are responsible for the violence on Chriatians in
Orissa, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh and now spreading to other parts
of India, under the law of the land as outlaw outfits.

You may contact any of the organising committee or aicc delhi office
for any further information.

Thanks

Madhu Chandra
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Re: [prohindu] Why has it become so cool to hate India?

Sir,

Christians' Congress Party has compiled the Indian Constitution with three goals in mind. (1) To eradicate Vedic culture that restrains State from taxing over 16.67% (Manusmriti 8:308) and provides one freedom of faith (Gita 7:21), (2) to achieve religious obligation imposed by Jesus vide verse 19:27, Bible, Luke 19:27 and (3) in retaliation and to settle vendetta for opposing the kingdom of Jesus in the globe.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Yashwini1@yahoo.com <yashwini1@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Why has it become so cool to hate India?
by Arindam Banerji

Saturday morning, last week was a bad one for me - the first thing I read, was an article from Dilip D'Souza.

He pontificated, "Then what do we say about those who might plot against the obscenity that blights their land, as Stauffenberg did, who fight to free India of it? Are they patriots? If so, what if they welcomed a force from abroad that toppled this hypothetical regime, as many Iraqis did? Are they still patriots?" - rediff.com

I was stunned. D'Souza a recognized and very visible journalist, was insinuating and subtly recommending a foreign invasion of India to get rid of the current government; pretty much like the US did in Iraq. Let's be sure of one thing- I will die defending D'Souza's right to criticize, fight legally against, decry or vote out of office the current Indian government - but, calling for foreign invasion?? Now, that's beyond hate.

All this, when I was just beginning to get over the fact that after the Indo-Pakistani thaw had been announced, Praful Bidwai gleefully announced that India "must give up its inalienable right to Kashmir". No word on strategic goals for India, nothing about not rewarding terrorism.

When did this happen? Leading journalists, openly publishing anti-India, hate-India propaganda in Indian dailies, and not a word is said - not a single editorial, no public criticism, nothing? When did it become so cool to hate India?

Before we sink into the rhetoric of calling me a scoundrel for bringing up the patriotism issue, let us look at what's really happening.

Blame India first
Immediately, after the Nadimarg massacre of 24 Indians, including women and children, Farzana Versey wrote a scathing article, criticizing the Kashmiri Pandits, blaming them for leaving the valley - essentially the they-asked-for-it point-of-view. Times of India editorials and Kuldeep Nayar came out and blamed the Government of India. Mind you, not a word - not one word, criticizing either the Pakistani generals or the LeT. Akhila Raman blamed India directly and of course, a columnist in Greater Kashmir blamed the Pandits for it all.

All these people, subtly yet completely undermined the case the GOI was trying to build in international media on the persistent and genocidal nature of Pakistani terrorism. In essence, these Indians equated the victims with the perpetrators, and made the case on behalf of Pakistan. After all, nobody in international media would cast any doubt on "Indian" writers, when they place the blame on GOI and the Pandits for such a heinous massacre.

The jury had declared their verdict - the ever-so erudite Hafeez Sayeed who postulated "Killing Hindus is the way to move forward" came out looking lily-white, while 4-year old Suraj, who died in his mother's arms was found guilty - he was an Indian, you see.
Remember, the Chitisingpora incident where 35 Sikhs were killed - some Indian journalists even those writing in international publications, declared that the GOI was to blame. It took an American, Bobby Bearak of NYTimes to chase the whole thing down and visit the home of one of the perpetrators in Pakistan.

No matter what happens and how it happens, it is India that is at fault, Indians are responsible. Journalists tell me that they must remain balanced. That word again?

The whole balance thing - never allow any good news on India

This balance thing, happens not just about the Hindu-Muslim issue or India-Pakistan issues. Let me give you another example from a different area - Mr. Vishal Thapar's article on the LCA/Tejas in the Hindustan Times. As you may have heard about the LCA was renamed to Tejas, yesterday. Here is how it was projected in one of the most widely distributed national newspapers in India:

"For those ecstatic at the projection of the Tejas' , this all means that the 'Made in India' tag as a symbol of indigenous capability, a sobering thought. Its engine is American, its avionics a combination of French, Israeli and Swedish components, and its carbon composite wings Italian.

Given that the three basic components of an aircraft are the engine, airframe and avionics, 'swadeshi' pride gets a dose of reality."

In spite, of the fact, that a simple internet search, would have given Mr. Thapar access to all possible details on LCA - he either chose not to do so or prefers to remain balanced. So, let us take each of his facts one by one.

What he did not tell you was the GE engine is a test engine, to be replaced soon by an India's Kaveri. Another fact, the most advanced fourth generation fighter called Grippen, also uses the same GE engine, but nobody calls the Swedish Grippen non-indigenous. It also turns out that the new fifth generation aircraft from the US (F/A22) uses Israeli avionics. Truth is, that apart from a few measly displays, almost everything else in the LCA's avionics- Mission Computers, Radar, Display Processors, Avionics LRU's, databus associated control equipment -is Indian[Nitin, BRF]. The composite wing technology was co-developed with the Italians - in fact, some of the associated software was sold by INDIA to Airbus.

No mention of the most-advanced Fly-by-Wire technology in a fourth-generation aircraft, no mention of the sale to Airbus - simply the balanced approach to hide India's accomplishments.

Remember, the Americans cherish their flights to the moon, in spite of the fact, that many of the leading scientists were Nazi Germany's rocket scientists. They cherish their jet aircraft which was helped tremendously by Nazi German designs of jet aircraft.
So, why was it so important for us to sound balanced - was it important enough to hide the facts and true achievements? Note - not a single clarification issued by the Hindustan Times either. It is fair to point out however, that the Hindu carried a much more positive article on LCA on the next day.

Of course, not to be left behind the ever so-prolific India hater, Praful Bidwai writes:
"India . . . ranked 54th of 55 countries in an IT survey by International Data Corp. Its score is 871, compared with China's 915, or the US's 5041. (The highest is Sweden's 5062, the lowest Pakistan's 719.) The penetration of Indian households by PCs is under one-fifth the world average. Today, it stands at three machines per 1000 people."

Probably true - but, no mention of the fact that the Indians are designing some of the most advanced routers in the world, they are at the fore-front of telematics technology and developed the first products on web services, which has now become a $50B technology. So, why the lack of balance on this issue? Would not serve our purpose to make India look good, would it, now.

Protest and you get called Names

Everybody has heard about the Bangladeshi infiltration into India. Most people do not know that large parts of the border areas are now run, owned and practically ruled by Bangladeshis. I have nothing against Bangladeshis - but, when they come to my country, ethnically cleanse Indians out of large areas, happily help the ISI and demand sovereignty for areas that they are squatting on, I have a problem. However, the fact that I have said the above, labels me a Hindu Fascist and supremacist. Never mind, that in the last 17 years in the US, I've never visited a temple - never, mind that I've probably spent more time in a catholic church in my life-time than a Hindu temple - I'm still a fascist.

The recommendations from the Farooquis, Pamelas and Bidwais is very clear - let the flow of Bangladeshis continue. Imply they, that there is nothing wrong in the steady arabization of most of the border areas and even secession is fine - whatever happens, we must not listen to the fascists. I'm sorry this is not OK with me - I'm concerned about the great Indian culture - the one that includes Syrian Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Muslims, as much as it does Hindus.

Unfortunately, we become fascists for trying to stem the tide of Bangladeshi Taliban from entering our country, the same people who for long had an "enemy property act", essentially treating minorities as enemies.

Not only, will many news dailies prevent the publication of anything that is strongly pro-India or happens to protest anti-India activities; but, the name calling against the pro-India crowd definitely gets published. All of you must have heard about the slanderous IDRF campaign, but how many of you got to read the excellent de-bunking done by the Friends of India - very, very few. This seems to happen more and more frequently these days -

protest against subsuming India within groups and academic departments that call themselves South Asian (not Indian) - you're a fanatic

protest against Romila Thapar's writings - you're a Hindu supremacist

protest against stopping charity to innocent Indian kids through false and unproven allegations - you're RSS, VHP or worse

Openly anti-India activities

Kamal Mitra Chenoy, a professor from JNU, actually testified before the USCIRF on Gujarat, with the sole purpose of having sanctions declared on India. While, what happened in Gujarat was vile and reprehensible, how does it make sense to help other countries declare sanctions on India? Who does it hurt most? As a Friend of India member wrote,

"In other words, here was an Indian zealously participating in a charade meant to impose hardship on his own country, collaborating with a wing of a government that his own comrades are given to routinely denouncing as "imperialist" and hegemonist."
Canvassing for anti-India acts are the norm now. The Indian Muslim Council, in the US, very rightfully concerned about what happened in Gujarat, is openly courting and canvassing congressmen and congressional staffers on "Hindu fanaticism". Very thoughtful, but how do we expect the US Congressmen to help? Take action against India!!

Mind you - I'm happy to join their protests in front of the Indian embassy, if they spend an equal amount of time, protesting the killing of twice as many Indians (as killed in Gujarat) every year by Islamic terrorists. Or, will they please tell their US legislators, that India actually has minorities, but minorities have for the most part vanished in the rest of South Asia (Bangladesh has gone from 33% to 7%). Will they please tell, the Americans that from negligible numbers, Andamans now have 60% Christians? Why not present the whole picture - who does it help not to do so?

Everyday in the Bay area, Indian speakers are feted by large crowds of Indians and Pakistanis, for claiming how bad India is? How the Hindus are killing all the Muslims? Association of words like genocide, fascist and fundamentalist with India are common. Not a word on the Islamic terrorism that kills thousands every year, not a word on state support for it, not a word on the complete ethnic cleansing that has happened in the rest of South Asia (3% minorities in Pakistan, down from 20%) - no, that would offend our Pakistani friends.

Our own, Arundhati Roy, who feels compelled to go all over the world and announce that "India is an artificial state", recently along with some other anti-India stalwarts attended a meeting to remember Marxist-Leninist separatist Naxals. Mind you, these are the same Naxals who recommend partitioning the country and happily extort and kill innocent Indian citizens. The Bidwais, Pandeys and Roys had to honor them, but, would they ever visit the families of soldiers who died at Kargill? Nope, and nobody called them on it - no protests, no editorial scolding.

Our politicians outdo all this. While Congress and the left encourage anti-India elements to settle in India, the right has proposed sundry localized sun-of-the-soil theories. All this just to win a few votes. Who does this hurt? You, me and India. I'm not suggesting that all Indian politicians become honest - that would be a stupid expectation. But, where is our press? Where are the national scolds, which are handed out so readily when we dare to kill a terrorist or two, without reading them their rights? Never surprises me that, more people jumped up to help the professor who facilitated the Parliament attack; than ever did to help the Sikh widows of the 1984 riots.

National Lack of Confidence

I'm keenly aware of the impact of history on national psyche and attitudes - let's face it, at least in the recent centuries, we Indians have been raped, massacred and indoctrinated with gay abandon. But, history in itself is not an acceptable excuse - where are our leaders? Leadership means breaking the mold - not just our politicians, but our managing editors and our news outlet owners - they just standby, they don't feel the need to direct their ire.

I have come to believe that our educational institutions have a role here. Passing through the IITs, nobody ingrained in me or my friends, the arrogance to believe that we could do intellectual work better than the best in the world. Result - we all end up believing, like Mr. Vishal Thapar above, that Indians cannot do the kinds of things that the Anglo-Saxons can - how could they? Other educational institutions are worse - try holding a pro-India, anti-Pakistan program in JNU - chances are you'll get beaten up.

Writes Vrin Parker, an American who has spent time in India,

"After having been forced to learn a lot misinformation about India in American schools I became fed up ... I began my own research and soon discovered that it was the Indians themselves ... who are at the root of all the nonsense taught about Hindus in the West."
Acceptance as Normal

It isn't what D'Souza said that has surprised me - it is that this has become accepted behavior in India. Nobody protests, when Arundhati makes up stories that make the Gujarat incidents much worse than they actually were (and they were bad enough), nobody blinks when Bidwais of the world spew their anti-India venom day in and day out, nobody cries foul when anti-India groups are feted by prominent/respected Indians within India and nobody editorializes when Indians go around canvassing foreign governments to take actions against India and Indians.

When did this happen? When did it become so acceptable to hate-India openly?
Please do not get me wrong - we Indians have our faults. Our caste-system, our riots, corruption, fundamentalism, most of our politicians, extreme poverty and our apathy to all this. Protest against all this, change it, elect someone else, expose it, and write about it - that's all patriotic. But asking for foreign invasion, supporting secessionists, canvassing for US sanctions, inviting arabized Bangladeshis into India, absolving Pakistani terrorism or minimizing Hindu deaths is NOT - it's anti-India.

Remember, that there is a lot of good - ask the Tibetians who have taken refuge in India, ask the Chakma Buddhists, ask the Bangladeshi Hindus, ask the Pakistani Hindus, ask the Afghans who're being treated and taught by Indians, ask the CEOs of the top five technology corporations in the world and ask the Bangladeshis who remember. Let's not hide all this or minimize it, but let's not be satisfied with it, either.

(E-mail - arindam_banerji@yahoo.com )

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